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"Progressive" Suckers

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In the wake of the Left's real agendas finally being associated with the word "liberal", the snake's shed its skin and recoiled behind "progressive".

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Progressive Suckers
By Scott Hogenson
CNSNews.com Commentary
September 26, 2003

Every now and then, America's political Left tinkers with language in an effort to re-invent itself or its opposition, or to otherwise overcome the connotations associated with certain words and phrases.

2003 has seen a number of efforts along these lines. People who think abortion is wrong are increasingly referred to as "anti-choice" rather than "pro-life." Radical environmentalists are beginning to lean more prominently to the term "conservationist." Liberals are more broadly embracing the term "progressive" as a political label.

In her remarks during the Sept. 24 debate among some of the candidates in the California recall election, Arianna Huffington told the audience the Oct. 7 election offered "an unprecedented, historic opportunity here to elect an independent progressive governor on a simple plurality."

A Sept. 25 editorial in The New York Times noted, "Four progressive political groups sued the Bush administration this week, charging that the Secret Service is systematically keeping protesters away from the president's public appearances."

That same day, the Boston Globe quoted liberal city Councilman Felix D. Arroyo as saying, "The vote expands in [November] to the progressives and people of color. Definitely I feel this is a winning campaign," in describing his optimism about being reelected.

These are just a few recent examples of how the word 'progressive' is coming to replace liberal in political discourse. The problem is, there's nothing progressive about progressive politics. It's a new use for an old phrase that constitutes the soul of socialism and communism.

"If we are to restore civil society and move from tax socialism to tax justice, we need to abolish progressive taxation," wrote the CATO Institute's James Dorn in 1996, noting that "In 1848 (Karl) Marx and (Fredrick) Engels proposed that progressive taxation be used "to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeois, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state."

If you'd rather get this direct from the source, consider Engles' 'The Principles of Communism.' In Chapter 18, entitled, 'What will be the course of this revolution?" the first "main measure," mentioned by Engles is the "limitation of private property through progressive taxation."

The "Elections Statement 2000," published on the website of Democratic Socialists of America, notes "We operate within progressive coalitions as an open socialist presence and bring to these movements an analysis and strategy which recognizes the fundamental need to democratize global corporate power."

Indeed, the DSA's "first statement" on the upcoming 2004 elections says in its opening paragraph that it has "urged DSA members and our allies, in working for progressive candidates in the primaries, to advance our support for peace, universal health care, workers' rights and a living wage, reproductive rights, racial justice, etc. Only a Democratic campaign that emphasizes a progressive agenda can effectively mobilize the broad constituencies of working people, women, people of color, peace activists, environmentalists and global justice activists that will be needed to defeat the Bush regime."

Such dissections by conservatives are virtually guaranteed to draw howls of 'McCarthyism' and 'Red Baiting,' from dedicated Leftists, but the facts speak for themselves.

The treatise 'Eleven Years On the Railroad, in the C.P. and the PLM/PLP,' published by the Progressive Labor Party, (whose party logo encourages people to "Fight for Communism"), is blunt in linking progressive politics to communist revolution.

"This strength of the old communist movement was nurtured by the group of communists within the old CP [Communist Party] that eventually organized the Progressive Labor Movement (PLM) in 1962, predecessor of the Progressive Labor Party," reads the white paper. "The goal of the PLM and PLP was essentially to adopt what was positive from the old communist movement but to avoid its revisionist errors by putting forward communist revolution openly."

One of the best ways to monitor coming political trends is to pay close attention to the language, which is the first and most important tool in making radical policies more palatable.

The movement away from the use of 'liberal' and toward 'progressive' in American politics is one rooted in the hope of duping uninformed voters into supporting candidates and parties bent on advancing a socialist agenda. It is synonymous with socialism and is a moniker that preys on suckers.
 

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revolutio said:
I'm surprised people refuse to give up refering to the Left and the Right as a single entity.

Why not judge people on an individual basis?
I recognize (and applaud) the intelligence and integrity of this proposal, but unfortunately, in today's media-spun society, it's nearly impossible where politics are concerned.
 
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Brother Christman said:
I recognize (and applaud) the intelligence and integrity of this proposal, but unfortunately, in today's media-spun society, it's nearly impossible where politics are concerned.
It is impossible to stop making a certain type of statement?

I have heard of people being forced into silence but never being forced into saying things a certain way.
 
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Groups are entities on a certain level though. From a Christian perspective things in the Bible like God refering to peoples by nation, pronouncing judgements on nations, and so forth, why? They shared a similar spirit. Individuals exist obviously, God said kill all the cananites yet the girl who hid the spies was spared, contradiction? No, one refers to the cananite peoples, their spirit, the other to an individual. Anyhow, the spirit of the left is real, so are others like the angels of the churches Paul wrote to. Groups either take on a life or draw angels/demons to them, one way or another, group mentality is an entity of a sorts. Even if you're an athiest, how can you miss things like mob mentality? Like groups of indivduals have a not normal but just tangible being of somekind, well, I think anyhow.
 
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Brother Christman said:
I'm not clear on what you're getting at, Rev...?
Maybe I am being to PC but I think people are causing needless friction when they generalize and lump opinions under one big heading. I know people really do that sort of thing, but I view actually referring to them by the label as encouraging them.

If people stop thinking of things as being Right and Left maybe things will stop polarizing themselves.
 
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I think conservatives are often akin to Plato's oligarchy guys and the liberals to the 'politicians' or sophists, a little off topic I know. The people inbetween are Plato's little guys, with little wealth or power. 'Course according to Plato democracys always turn into dictatorships when the little guys elect someone to 'save' them from the two poles (oligarchs and politicians/sophists) creating a tyranny worse than the previous. I've always thought Plato had it right, 'cept the democracy I was thinking of was the UN, and the coming dictator being the antichrist, heralded by the little guy for cleaning up the poles 'n fat cats, not knowing the misery they willingly thrust apon themselves, oh well. Relavent point is, thousands of years ago great thinkers thought polar politics were better than the solution to them! They also thought the only solution was inevitable, should a democracys poles be collapsed, dictatorship, the 'one' party system. So mehaps the polar thing isn't too too bad, no?
 
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Ryder said:
I've always thought Plato had it right, 'cept the democracy I was thinking of was the UN, and the coming dictator being the antichrist, heralded by the little guy for cleaning up the poles 'n fat cats, not knowing the misery they willingly thrust apon themselves, oh well.
Sad but true. He'll likely rise to power, ironically, on the best of peoples' intentions.

Well put.
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Brother Christman said:
Sad but true. He'll likely rise to power, ironically, on the best of peoples' intentions.

Well put.
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So if our good intentions are telling us to vote for someone resist them! They are probably just the anti-christ :D

Forgive me for laughing, but it is kind of funny to think how paranoid that would make people.

*eyes Kofi Annon with suspicion*
 
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Brother Christman said:
Rev: With all due respect, you might as well call for us to stop using the terms "right" and "wrong", bro.
I realize it is too convenient and fun to resist, but it was worth a shot.

Actually I don't really believe in right or wrong :D
 
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revolutio said:
So if our good intentions are telling us to vote for someone resist them! They are probably just the anti-christ :D

Forgive me for laughing, but it is kind of funny to think how paranoid that would make people.

*eyes Kofi Annon with suspicion*
I certainly respect your right to laugh. As someone who probably hasn't read the New Testament, I understand your suspicion of such discussions as paranoid, too...

But lemme ask from a purely secular perspective: Let's say the UN (http://www.protectionproject.org/vt/subject/hvr.pdf) were made the world's one government tomorrow and someone (we won't even say Kofi, but someone) rose to power who turned out to be a sociopath and really hated all those under his rule. If he decided to be a global-scale Caligula, once he/she were in power, how could we hope to oppose him/her?

The inherent danger of one-world government, Biblical prophecies aside for now (though I definitely believe them), is that the best/fairests/nicest means of governing a people may not have been invented yet. It could be the kind of thing an independent nation has yet to come up with, but if we're all crushed under the boot of a global government... We're stuck there until an asteroid hits the planet.
 
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Brother Christman said:
I certainly respect your right to laugh. As someone who probably hasn't read the New Testament, I understand your suspicion of such discussions as paranoid, too...

But lemme ask from a purely secular perspective: Let's say the UN (http://www.protectionproject.org/vt/subject/hvr.pdf) were made the world's one government tomorrow and someone (we won't even say Kofi, but someone) rose to power who turned out to be a sociopath and really hated all those under his rule. If he decided to be a global-scale Caligula, once he/she were in power, how could we hope to oppose him/her?

The inherent danger of one-world government, Biblical prophecies aside for now (though I definitely believe them), is that the best/fairests/nicest means of governing a people may not have been invented yet. It could be the kind of thing an independent nation has yet to come up with, but if we're all crushed under the boot of a global government... We're stuck there until an asteroid hits the planet.
I understand the possible rammifications but if it was through democratic means and candidates were encouraged to be more cosmopolitan than they are now there are slim chances of it happening. Plus you would have many times the number of people questioning and scrutinizing the government, thus making it very tough for anyone corrupted to rise to power.

Caligula was insane due two possible things: His parents were related and all the piping in Rome was made of lead. Neither of those would be problem methinks :)

Besides even if there are 'super-nations' in the future, there would be many holdouts since no one would support an organization that forced countries to join. Viva Switzerland!
 
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revolutio said:
Besides even if there are 'super-nations' in the future, there would be many holdouts since no one would support an organization that forced countries to join. Viva Switzerland!
1) There are super-nations, now: The US and China.

2) Just because someone's elected legally doesn't mean he/she couldn't turn said election into a means of seizing dictatorial power. I don't mean this as any commentary on President Bush's administration (nor am I one of those who believes he's the anti Christ), so any conclusions drawn are your own (I may not trust him, but let's not get crazy).

3) You can't effectively establish a one-world (i.e. UN/Big Brother) government until you've disarmed the populace (as the UN's seeking now via global gun "control" laws; http://truthnews.com/world/2003090061.htm). Once citizens are unarmed, there's little hope for effective uprisings... beyond hoping for asteroids.
 
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