Programming of Life - Intelligent Design

[Loudmouth]

Cogent reasoning demands honesty regardless of how unpalatable the conclusion might be..

You reject evolution and abiogenesis simply because you find them unpalatable.

 

[Radrook]

The problem is that cogent reasoning which is a necessary feature of the scientific method is very often unceremoniously sacrificed at the altar of anti-religious sentiments.

 

[bhsmte]

Big time, major league; LOL

 

[Loudmouth]

The problem is that cogent reasoning which is a necessary feature of the scientific method is very often unceremoniously sacrificed at the altar of anti-religious sentiments.

Cogent reasoning shows that something is not intelligently designed when there are known and observed natural mechanisms that produce an observation, such as the naturally produced coded information in genomes.

 

[Loudmouth]

double

 

[PsychoSarah]

The problem is that cogent reasoning which is a necessary feature of the scientific method is very often unceremoniously sacrificed at the altar of anti-religious sentiments.

Except many of the founding individuals of scientific fields were theists. They were looking for evidence of gods, and found none.

 

[Radrook]

Except many of the founding individuals of scientific fields were theists. They were looking for evidence of gods, and found none.

All the founders of science I know who were Christians never made such an atheistic declaration. Perhaops you can point out the ones whom you clainm did say that?

The founders of modern science were all bunched into a particular geographical location dominated by a Judeo-Christian world view. I'm thinking of men like Louis Aggasiz (founder of glacial science and perhaps paleontology); Charles Babbage (often said to be the creator of the computer); Francis Bacon (father of the scientific method); Sir Charles Bell (first to extensively map the brain and nervous system); Robert Boyle (father of modern chemistry); Georges Cuvier (founder of comparative anatomy and perhaps paleontology); John Dalton (father of modern atomic theory); Jean Henri Fabre (chief founder of modern entomology); John Ambrose Fleming (some call him the founder of modern electronics/inventor of the diode); James Joule (discoverer of the first law of thermodynamics); William Thomson Kelvin (perhaps the first to clearly state the second law of thermodynamics); Johannes Kepler (discoverer of the laws of planetary motion); Carolus Linnaeus (father of modern taxonomy); James Clerk Maxwell (formulator of the electromagnetic theory of light); Gregor Mendel (father of genetics); Isaac Newton (discoverer of the universal laws of gravitation); Blaise Pascal (major contributor to probability studies and hydrostatics); Louis Pasteur (formulator of the germ theory).
Christianity and the Birth of Science

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

All the founders of science I know who were Christians never made such an atheistic declaration. Perhaops you can point out the ones whom you clainm did say that?

She didn't say that they stopped being theists.
Just that they didn't find any evidence of god or biblical floods or what-have-you.

Instead, they found a whole bunch of natural laws and processes that govern the phenomena of reality.

As has been told to you many times, science isn't atheistic in nature.
Gods and the supernatural just don't happen to show up in detectable or measureable ways.
Gods and the supernatural just don't happen to be any kind of a factor in any of these processes that are being studied and investigated.

Does that mean that gods or the supernatural don't exist? No.
Does it mean that they do exist? No.

All those fine people in your quote understood that. Maybe you should try to understand it as well.

 

[Sammy-San]

You mean this?



That's the way the intelligent designer made things.

Do you think these questions are silly?

Why is human skin only come in shades of brown/tan? Why don't some people have blue skin, or green? The current colors evolved to protect against the sun, why hasn't it evolved as a camouflage or other possible advantages? • /r/AskReddit

ELI5: why don't human naturally have claws and fangs? • /r/explainlikeimfive

https://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/humans-spots-stripes/

 

[Chriliman]

Amazing animation at 11:14!

 

[Chriliman]

Further evidence for intelligent design.

BTW
"I can't see!" isn't a rebuttal.

36:05 mind blowing!

 

[Chriliman]

Quite; from a theist viewpoint - which is more likely, that - with our limited intelligence - we can mimic natural processes, or that we can do what an omnipotent, omniscient God does?

Romans 8:19
"For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed."

It's not at all surprising that the sons of God would be able to do what God can do as long as they're loving and obeying God to begin with, that's important.

 

[Radrook]

36:05 mind blowing!

Probability obviously doesn't figure prominently in the atheistic perspective.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Probability obviously doesn't figure prominently in the atheistic perspective.

What "atheist perspective"? Are you talking about evolution again?
That would be a scientific perspective...

Considering that you are so impressed by probabilities and video's, perhaps you should watch this:

 

[Radrook]

What "atheist perspective"? Are you talking about evolution again?
That would be a scientific perspective...

Considering that you are so impressed by probabilities and video's, perhaps you should watch this:

Sorry! I thought that atheists had a certain perspective in common.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sorry! I thought that atheists had a certain perspective in common.

The video is discussing the presence of shared ERV's in species, how they end up in the DNA and how that fits into evolution theory.

In context of common ancestry of species, the probability of ERV distribution as we observe it, is 1 in 1.

Without common ancestry... well... it's on the order of 1 in 2x10^140th. And that's even only looking at particular ERV's in a handfull of species.

You can add a few bazillion zero's to that number once you factor in ALL erv's in ALL species.

Once more, nothing about this has anything to do with atheism or theism and everything with the observable facts of reality.

For kicks and giggles though.... perhaps you could explain how the pattern of ERV distribution in species is explained by ID.

 

[bhsmte]

36:05 mind blowing!

What about it is mind blowing? Can you explain the video?

 

[bhsmte]

Sorry! I thought that atheists had a certain perspective in common.

Sure, atheists see no reason to believe a god exists.

 

[bhsmte]

Probability obviously doesn't figure prominently in the atheistic perspective.

Probability obviously doesn't figure prominently in the atheistic perspective.

What is the math on this probability? If someone wins lotto, against enormous odds, did they win or didnt they?

 

[KCfromNC]

Romans 8:19
"For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed."

It's not at all surprising that the sons of God would be able to do what God can do as long as they're loving and obeying God to begin with, that's important.

I thought ID supporters were supposed to pretend that it wasn't a religious concept.