There are two outstanding problems that I have with the Nicene creed of 381 A.D., but before I start, it should be known that I believe in the Triune God; the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the three Persons or three Witnesses within the One God.
Did you get that? I believe that the Holy Spirit is one of the Three Witnesses of the One God. Okay. Moving on.
Link to the Statement of Faith where the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. is listed with scriptural references supposedly validating each line.
#1. All Bibles testify to Jesus Christ as the Giver of life in John 6:33-35, but most modern Bibles testify that the Holy Spirit gives life in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6.
The KJV and a few modern Bibles has the "spirit" in John 6:63 and 2 Corinthians 3:6 as not referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit at all. If you read those verses in context with His discernment, you would know that is not about the Holy Spirit.
Now comes the discernment part as to what scripture is supposed to say.
Jesus made it clear here in John 5:39-40 that all Bibles has the scripture supposed to be testifying of the Son as we are supposed to be coming to the Son for life.
That should be the deal breaker here, but people keeps whistling dixies.
The irony is that the Statement of Faith does not use John 6:63 or 2 Corinthians 3:6 of most modern Bibles, but Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV
Now where does it says that the Spirit of God gives life? All that the reference was about, was the testimony that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I think the forum should go reconisder the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. if they prefer to stick with the scripture in testifying that Jesus Christ is the One that gives life to the world.
#2. The "practice" of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son is not Biblical at all, however, Jesus has said how the Father wants us to honor Him by.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
The bold portion of verse 23 is significant because it clarifies that honoring the Son is the only way to honor the Father.
I could go one to share scripture how the Holy Spirit is sent to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and to testify of Him ( John 15:26 ) and so how can He do that unless through us? ( John 15:27 ) Would that not also include worship? John 3:31-32 & Philippians 2:5-13
But... let's address the Nicene creed of 381 A.D.'s reference of Matthew 3:16-17 for that practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
I do not see any specific instruction nor example for the practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.
I believe there are no scripture validating that practice because the Holy Spirit is leading us to honor the Son in worship by testifying of the Son in glorifying the Son so that the Father may be honored & glorified by the Son in worship as well.
Is it a big deal? If any one wishes to be scripturally correct, it should be a big deal, but not very many will, because the practice has gone on for so long that nobody wants to narrow the way back to the straight gate in how we come to God the Father by specifically in order to worship Him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.....7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it......
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Looks like a requirement for being ready and found abiding in Him is by how we come to God the Father in fellowship, prayer, and worship and that is by the only way of the Son or risk being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture.
Remember that the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. was derived for ecumenical purpose of uniting the church to be on the same page, but is that not the fruit of the false prophet?
Matthew 7:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Does any one see my concern for the body of Christ at this forum?
Did you get that? I believe that the Holy Spirit is one of the Three Witnesses of the One God. Okay. Moving on.
Link to the Statement of Faith where the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. is listed with scriptural references supposedly validating each line.
#1. All Bibles testify to Jesus Christ as the Giver of life in John 6:33-35, but most modern Bibles testify that the Holy Spirit gives life in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6.
The KJV and a few modern Bibles has the "spirit" in John 6:63 and 2 Corinthians 3:6 as not referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit at all. If you read those verses in context with His discernment, you would know that is not about the Holy Spirit.
Now comes the discernment part as to what scripture is supposed to say.
Jesus made it clear here in John 5:39-40 that all Bibles has the scripture supposed to be testifying of the Son as we are supposed to be coming to the Son for life.
That should be the deal breaker here, but people keeps whistling dixies.
The irony is that the Statement of Faith does not use John 6:63 or 2 Corinthians 3:6 of most modern Bibles, but Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV
Now where does it says that the Spirit of God gives life? All that the reference was about, was the testimony that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I think the forum should go reconisder the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. if they prefer to stick with the scripture in testifying that Jesus Christ is the One that gives life to the world.
#2. The "practice" of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son is not Biblical at all, however, Jesus has said how the Father wants us to honor Him by.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
The bold portion of verse 23 is significant because it clarifies that honoring the Son is the only way to honor the Father.
I could go one to share scripture how the Holy Spirit is sent to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and to testify of Him ( John 15:26 ) and so how can He do that unless through us? ( John 15:27 ) Would that not also include worship? John 3:31-32 & Philippians 2:5-13
But... let's address the Nicene creed of 381 A.D.'s reference of Matthew 3:16-17 for that practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
I do not see any specific instruction nor example for the practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.
I believe there are no scripture validating that practice because the Holy Spirit is leading us to honor the Son in worship by testifying of the Son in glorifying the Son so that the Father may be honored & glorified by the Son in worship as well.
Is it a big deal? If any one wishes to be scripturally correct, it should be a big deal, but not very many will, because the practice has gone on for so long that nobody wants to narrow the way back to the straight gate in how we come to God the Father by specifically in order to worship Him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.....7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it......
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Looks like a requirement for being ready and found abiding in Him is by how we come to God the Father in fellowship, prayer, and worship and that is by the only way of the Son or risk being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture.
Remember that the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. was derived for ecumenical purpose of uniting the church to be on the same page, but is that not the fruit of the false prophet?
Matthew 7:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Does any one see my concern for the body of Christ at this forum?
