Problems With Computers. I NEED MORE SPEED

[mrghost]

When Microsoft Made XP. They never Thought that a Common Computer User, Would ever need more than 1 Gigabyte of Ram on-board. Bad Under-sight.

So now they come out with Vista which does, manage larger amounts of Ram better, So your Programs can run faster and smoother, But The rest of the world is not writing programs and Drivers to keep up,........ making Vista a Flop. Loss sales. People just are not Buying It.

Computers 8 bit..16 bit...32 bit...64 bit...

The more the bits the larger the size of the information Data it can Handle
The Worlds internet Servers still use 32 bit systems, So 64 bit systems has been hard to take, It takes better extended drivers to run it, Even though it runs larger amounts of Data faster with more Ram

Win 95b,98,2000,NT,XP all 32 bit systems at present can really only see 4 gigabytes of ram, Thats allot, But not when your are a CF server running 100,000 accounts at once. Most computers run into trouble after putting more than 2gb on board, you have to do a little tuning, and most of the world is NOT TECH savy.

So to make up for lost sales Microsoft is working on a new Operating System called Blackcolmb=Windows 7. To be released as early as 2009

Buy what I have read, capture the best of Both Worlds and Will be able to run 32bit and 64 bit Windows 95 and 98 did the same by running 16bit and 32bit on the same machine.

Reasons, the new programs due to security and size are causing 32bit systems to bogg down and run to slow, The new motherboards are out already that have up to 32 gigabytes on board.

No matter how fast Your Computer runs U get used to it and want to go faster. When I turn my Computer on, its up and ready to go online in 45 seconds. For some folks; thats 3 min. I can Download a Whole Movie in 10/min.

( I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 10/sec. ). and who does'nt !

Thats why Folks don't like Norton Software, it makes their computer run too slow, in an Instant world, One of my Songs; Instant light at the touch of a switch.... Lol.
My new computer has 8 gb. More than I will ever use.
But for computers to talk to each other there has to be a common ground, User to server and back, It will eventually go to 64 bit. No way to stop it, If decent speed is gonna be a constant.

Windows XP 32 bit at present uses just under 400 megabytes to run and play on the internet. If you have a big printer add on another 128mb.
So really to have a little extra Iceing on the cake you need a gigabyte of ram so your computer does not get bogged down, bottlenecked, reduced to a crawl.
At todays Prices You can Add a Gigabyte of ram for around 30.00 depending on the brand of Computer, AMD uses Hi-Density Chips real cheap. Intel uses a better grade low noise 6 layer chips, a little more money. Only certain chips will run on certain machines, be very careful if U don't know what U are doing. You don't want to buy the wrong chip, Money is too hard to come by nowdays. get Advice, Look before U leap.

Some motherboards can only run 1/2 a gigabyte 512mb/Ram... most that are 3 years old up to 2 gb/Ram... this years model's 4/4/16/32/Ram.

Cheers to all and Faster Computing Mrghost.... GodSpeed......

 

[Sketcher]

When Microsoft Made XP. They never Thought that a Common Computer User, Would ever need more than 1 Gigabyte of Ram on-board. Bad Under-sight.

You'd think they would have learned by now. "640K should be enough for everybody."

 

[peanutbutter12]

What do you mean people aren't writing the drivers? Most companies are now up to date with their Vista drivers. The only ones that haven't released them yet are companies who have either folded or who have very poor customer support and/or no care for the products they sell. I've not had one driver issue with Vista thus far.

Windows 7, which is formerly Blackcomb and Vienna, won't be out for quite some time. There won't be a 2009 release. In fact, I doubt we will even see a beta release until at least 2012. They are still very much in the preliminary phases of programming this OS and over time, I'm sure they will be adding more and more to it which will essentially continue to push back the dates just like it did with Vista. Heck, most of Vista was removed because they couldn't get it working correctly and were limited with the programming code the way it is. So don't hold your breath on seeing 7 released anytime this decade.

RAM is something I do need more of. My system is too limited right now at 4gig and the new PC motherboards that I've seen are all maxed at 8. So far, Apple is the only one I've seen that has released a 32gig board which is insanely expensive for what it is. Hopefully they will start pushing out 16gig boards soon and I can build a new 8core machine.

 

[Soul Searcher]

XP and Vista both come in 64 bit flavors as well and for a web server hosting this much traffic windows is probably not a good choice in any case.

 

[Soul Searcher]

RAM is something I do need more of. My system is too limited right now at 4gig and the new PC motherboards that I've seen are all maxed at 8. So far, Apple is the only one I've seen that has released a 32gig board which is insanely expensive for what it is. Hopefully they will start pushing out 16gig boards soon and I can build a new 8core machine.

Some of the high end AMD machines can support up to 64 gigs of ram with multiple quad core processors. They carry a hefty price tag but they do scream.

 

[mrghost]

Just Like when MS assumed a end user would never need more than 1 gigabyte. And of corce they were wrong, People are always Assuming what Microsofts posture is.
Well then here is my Assumption in the next 10 years, Harddrives with no moving parts, DDR5, Operating Systems working at 128 bit. Motherboards with up to 1 terabyte of on-board ram.
People always have the fault, of under building, thinking too small. The US Hi-Way sys is a good example,
If I build a top of the line system today and spend my hard earned money, I would at least like the system to cover all the bases for 5 years, not one year. I have thousands invested in software and I am not going to change it every 5 minutes........No brainer.......
Thing are changing faster than the speed of light.
The Fight: as hackers improve there strageys and software, Then So will the OS makers...Makeing the new computers a resource....HOG......More Ram, Bigger hard-drives, and Faster motherboard to cope and keep up with the times.
In the industry; Money, always dictates to the product makers of what they are going to make, and when they are going to release it. Hiostory keep repeating itself.
Microsoft suffered great losses Due to failed Vista sales, If you took a poll on this site. What do you think the percentage rate of XP users to Vista users............The Worlds Servers are still using 32bit systems till they go to longhorn.........They like most of us do not want to fork out more money for new software, and Virus protection stuff.......So be prepared, the rate of changes is staggering, Hope for the BEST...But plan for the Worst.
Yea, right just use one Detector.......
Good luck You are going to need it.

A christian listens to Wisdom and understanding.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
11 For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.
Mrghost Veteran Tech......

 

[peanutbutter12]

Some of the high end AMD machines can support up to 64 gigs of ram with multiple quad core processors. They carry a hefty price tag but they do scream.

Interesting. Happen to have some links for some? Newegg doesn't carry anything over 8 yet it seems. I'm not very big on AMD. After this machine, I swore I would never get another AMD based set again. Would be interesting to take a look at though.

 

[peanutbutter12]

Just Like when MS assumed a end user would never need more than 1 gigabyte. And of corce they were wrong, People are always Assuming what Microsofts posture is.
Well then here is my Assumption in the next 10 years, Harddrives with no moving parts, DDR5, Operating Systems working at 128 bit. Motherboards with up to 1 terabyte of on-board ram.
People always have the fault, of under building, thinking too small. The US Hi-Way sys is a good example,
If I build a top of the line system today and spend my hard earned money, I would at least like the system to cover all the bases for 5 years, not one year. I have thousands invested in software and I am not going to change it every 5 minutes........No brainer.......
Thing are changing faster than the speed of light.
The Fight: as hackers improve there strageys and software, Then So will the OS makers...Makeing the new computers a resource....HOG......More Ram, Bigger hard-drives, and Faster motherboard to cope and keep up with the times.
In the industry; Money, always dictates to the product makers of what they are going to make, and when they are going to release it. Hiostory keep repeating itself.
Microsoft suffered great losses Due to failed Vista sales, If you took a poll on this site. What do you think the percentage rate of XP users to Vista users............The Worlds Servers are still using 32bit systems till they go to longhorn.........They like most of us do not want to fork out more money for new software, and Virus protection stuff.......So be prepared, the rate of changes is staggering, Hope for the BEST...But plan for the Worst.
Yea, right just use one Detector.......
Good luck You are going to need it

It was the same way with XP when it came out. It took at least 2 years before people started to buy into it, then it started spreading as people would buy new computers with XP loaded on it. The same will most likely happen with Vista and probably Windows 7 as well. It's really nothing new.

Technology is constantly changing. It's a struggle to come out with faster and more powerful. There will never again be a period of 5 years for major upgrades. Right now, we're doubling our speed of processors about every 2 years. This is a very good thing because it means that we can take technology further and not stagnate.

I've heard the constant complaint that Vista is big and uses a lot of resources... yes, it's a new OS. Of course it's going to use more resources. Of course it needs more RAM and faster processors. How else will they implement new technology? You think Aero will run smooth with 1gig of ram? Of course not. With new hardware always coming out though, it will run the way it's built to run. And yes, it's expensive at first, but that also means the old new technology is now cheaper and will also run these new things without an issue, so you can upgrade at less of a cost.

I recently just bought myself a new laptop. It replaced a computer I had been using since 2002... so it's not like you have to buy a new computer every year.

Also, the days of the hacker are long gone. Yes, there are still some old backdoors floating around here and there, nothing a typical virus detector can't prevent from infecting your machine. Security is too strong anymore and people are more aware than they were in the 90's. And yes, there is the occasional hack that happens by someone who is still into seeing what they can do, but it's rarer than it once was and their primary focus is on companies, not personal computer users. Now days, you're more likely to be phished than hacked, and that would be no fault but the user.

 

[Soul Searcher]

Interesting. Happen to have some links for some? Newegg doesn't carry anything over 8 yet it seems. I'm not very big on AMD. After this machine, I swore I would never get another AMD based set again. Would be interesting to take a look at though.

Here is one link for ya

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/29/iwill_64gb_opteron_dk88/

for more google opteron 64 gig or something similar. A while back I saw an hp machine on TigerDirect shipping with 16 gigs supporting up to 64 gigs with a killer video for about $4k

I personally like my X2 64 bit AMD chip,

 

[Soul Searcher]

Technology is constantly changing. It's a struggle to come out with faster and more powerful. There will never again be a period of 5 years for major upgrades. Right now, we're doubling our speed of processors about every 2 years. This is a very good thing because it means that we can take technology further and not stagnate.

Actually this is not the case. They have pretty much hit a wall on processor speed some time ago, hence the trend for multi-cpus on the same die and in the case of AMD 64 bit and using seperate ram for each core allowing for much more ram to be used at faster speeds, yet the speed running a single app that does not take advantage of the multi-core runs about the same as it did on the single core cpus.

Right now 3Ghz is pretty much the cap for Intel and AMD I have saw 3.2 but nothing higher as of yet where as I have owned a 2.8 GHZ for several years already and it was not top of the line when I bought it.

Back it the day the speed was doubling very often, 286-386-486-P1-P2 but then it dropped off a lot P3 was only about 10% faster than P2 [when running at the same clock speed] with the exception of 3d graphics and the 1.4 GHZ P4 in some cases was actually slower than the 1Ghz P3. Of course the P3 was available in faster speeds than the P2, Ram and Video speed increased due to external components and the P4 was available up to near 3 GHZ with even faster ram and video available by then. The PentiumD was a joke compared to the AMD counter part X64 chips but now with the Core 2 duo Intel is back in the front running for the time being, largely because the AMD Phenom chip was late being released.

 

[peanutbutter12]

True, but while we're not adding speed to processors per-say, we're still making computers much faster with the introduction of Duo, Quad, etc core processors.

 

[Soul Searcher]

True, but while we're not adding speed to processors per-say, we're still making computers much faster with the introduction of Duo, Quad, etc core processors.

Yes the multi-core chips do have good performance when they are taken advantage of but if you are running a single app many will not show much performance increase on a dual or quad core. Running multiple apps is a whole different story much faster than before.

Other things which make apps faster on the newer systems, faster MB bus speed, Faster ram, Faster video, now also starting to go dual and quad core it seems as well as the SATA II Hds.

 

[peanutbutter12]

Too right, I threw some turbo memory in my laptop and it runs really nicely when booting up programs that I use on a daily basis. Flash memory seems to be the future. It would just be nice if that future came a little faster. I've read that in some of these new drives they are making, they are getting some triple the amount of storage because of way they are stacking the platters. I know I'd love to be able to get some 2TB drives. Storage is one thing I never have enough of it seems.

 

[Soul Searcher]

A few years back I read an article about MRam that IBM was working on. I thought we would see it in systems by now but haven't heard much about it for a while now. Sounded like the holy grail of ram at the time, faster, denser and no voltage needed to hold its values, could mean instant boot as well as being able to pick up where you left off when you shut the pc down as everythign in memory would still be loaded in the MRAM, and has many applications in portable devices. I wonder what happened to it?

Flash memory on the other hand is normally a good bit slower than standard RAM so I don't see systems moving to flash anytime soon.

 

[kaizer1784]

Technology is constantly changing. It's a struggle to come out with faster and more powerful. There will never again be a period of 5 years for major upgrades. Right now, we're doubling our speed of processors about every 2 years. This is a very good thing because it means that we can take technology further and not stagnate.

Actually, Moore's Law states that that number of transistors will double every 2 years, not the processor speed but with the increased number of transistors, it is expected to increase the computational power of the processor as well (Which is still dependent on many other things as well).

Flash memory on the other hand is normally a good bit slower than standard RAM so I don't see systems moving to flash anytime soon.

Soul Searcher, flash memory won't be used to replace RAM, but in the future it will be used to replace hard drives when the prices has become more affordable (You can change the Macbook Air's 80GB HDD for the 64GB SSD for an additional $1000). The advantages these SSD offers (solid-state drives) is that they have no moving parts, hence cooler and more resistant to shocks. And faster as well.

 

[mrghost]

Hard-Drives with no moving parts. No friction, no heat, no vibration, It is here, When they get better at making them the price will drop into our range.
Been saying it for 2 years now
Mrghost Veteran Tech R & D....

 

[Soul Searcher]

Soul Searcher, flash memory won't be used to replace RAM, but in the future it will be used to replace hard drives when the prices has become more affordable (You can change the Macbook Air's 80GB HDD for the 64GB SSD for an additional $1000). The advantages these SSD offers (solid-state drives) is that they have no moving parts, hence cooler and more resistant to shocks. And faster as well.

That makes a lot more sense,

Flash ram in place of an actual hard disk is common place in many devices that I write code for at present.

 

[Soul Searcher]

Hard-Drives with no moving parts. No friction, no heat, no vibration, It is here, When they get better at making them the price will drop into our range.
Been saying it for 2 years now
Mrghost Veteran Tech R & D....

Less heat for sure but there will always be heat