Probability of Origin of Life by Chance just went way UP.

[lasthero]

Yep, If he found something earth shattering, or should I say TOE shattering, and began proving the Biblical account,... the support would dry up, they would hand him the proverbial tinfoil hat and laugh him out of his office.

And then he could go work for someone like Ken Ham or Answer in Genesis, who'd pay him quite a lot of money to comparitively little.

It's not like creationist are all living in the poor house.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A habitable planet has been discovered a mere 1400 light years away.

Life as we know it is based on the size of our planet, the distance from the sun & the size of our sun. The atmosphere has a lot do do with it, also the fact that our moon is keeps the earth at a exact tilt in relation to the sun. Then there is the spin down rate that determines the length of the day. Still you come out with two theorys. If we found life it would be very much like life here because all the elements are the same and the natural laws are consistent. OR the other theory is life would be nothing like life here one earth. That theory says if you were to start all over here on Earth you would get totally different results than what we seen now. Both can be predicted by the theory of evolution. Which goes to show how much variation there is in agreement about the particulars of that theory.

 

[justlookinla]

A habitable planet has been discovered a mere 1400 light years away.

1) They don't have a clue if it's habitable or not.

2) It may not even exist anymore.

 

[Kylie]

No.

They found a planet the size of Earth.

In fact:SOURCE

The OP didn't say it was inhabited, he said it had features which may make it the sort of planet where life could be found.

You need to hang up your Arab phone, I think, you're calling yourself.

 

[AV1611VET]

The OP didn't say it was inhabited, he said it had features which may make it the sort of planet where life could be found.

You need to hang up your Arab phone, I think, you're calling yourself.

This is what was said:

A habitable planet has been discovered a mere 1400 light years away.

No ... I do not believe a "habitable" planet was found.

I believe they found a planet the size of the earth -- that's all.

Saying it is "habitable" just because it is the size of the earth is like saying it's okay to swim in a pool of acid because it is the same size as an Olympic swimming pool.

 

[Kylie]

This is what was said:No ... I do not believe a "habitable" planet was found.

I believe they found a planet the size of the earth -- that's all.

Saying it is "habitable" just because it is the size of the earth is like saying it's okay to swim in a pool of acid because it is the same size as an Olympic swimming pool.

Ah, but isn't the pool just the whole in the ground? If I show you a pool of acid, then you can swim in it - provided you take out the acid and put water in instead.

In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion that this is only a way for you to deny it until we actually send people there.

 

[AV1611VET]

In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion that this is only a way for you to deny it until we actually send people there.

If you're convince that there's a planet that is habitable out there somewhere, that's your prerogative.

If I thought that as well, I certainly would think one is habitable just because it is the same size as the earth.

If Pluto ... (skip that).

If Saturn was the same size as the earth, would Saturn be considered habitable?

 

[JacksBratt]

So, what is the point of all this?
It's how far away? We are going to prove there is life on it how?
If there was life, what would that say?
What we we do about it?


It's all a waste of money that could be used for much better things right here in the land of reality.

 

[Loudmouth]

Life as we know it is based on the size of our planet, the distance from the sun & the size of our sun. The atmosphere has a lot do do with it, also the fact that our moon is keeps the earth at a exact tilt in relation to the sun. Then there is the spin down rate that determines the length of the day. Still you come out with two theorys. If we found life it would be very much like life here because all the elements are the same and the natural laws are consistent. OR the other theory is life would be nothing like life here one earth.

There is certainly no physical law that forces the DNA codon ATG to result in a methionine amino acid residue in a protein. If we found life elsewhere in the cosmos and it used similar codons and other arbitrary relationships between molecules then panspermia may be worth revisiting, where meteors carry freeze-dried organisms from one solar system to another.

That theory says if you were to start all over here on Earth you would get totally different results than what we seen now. Both can be predicted by the theory of evolution. Which goes to show how much variation there is in agreement about the particulars of that theory

The theory that changes in air pressure and humidity cause storms also says that if you rewound the clock 10,000 years that the weather today may be different. Does that mean this theory is false?

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Well, it would increase the likelhood of life originating to be a very rare event.

Since the statistical possibility is already way beyond impossible, that would be hard to do.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

What's wasted about all those planets?? And we have no idea what is in store for them when this world and this heavens are remade. Has it occurred to you that perhaps their purpose is yet to be?? Maybe one of them may be yours to play with!! In the meantime, they have been pretty lights, and now objects of study. Can you imagine looking up at the sky and seeing nothing?? Boring! Now---I do not now if this still holds true, but at one time, this was the only planet that you could stand on the surface of and see out into the universe. All the others had atmospheres that prevented that. You could from some moons, but not the planets. They may have discovered something different lately. That would be depressing, seeing nothing but some sort of fog. And we do not know enough everything about gravitational pull to know if maybe they exert some sort of influence on this planet and would happen if they weren't there.

I think what many fail to realise is that God created the rest of the universe to demonstrate His awesome power. If He wanted to create other planets then why not? His ways are higher than our ways and we cannot possibly know everything that is in His plan or how He has made the things that we find in our [His] universe. In fact, we hardly know anything at all in the grand scheme of things when you really think about it.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Life as we know it is based on the size of our planet, the distance from the sun & the size of our sun. The atmosphere has a lot do do with it, also the fact that our moon is keeps the earth at a exact tilt in relation to the sun. Then there is the spin down rate that determines the length of the day. Still you come out with two theorys. If we found life it would be very much like life here because all the elements are the same and the natural laws are consistent. OR the other theory is life would be nothing like life here one earth. That theory says if you were to start all over here on Earth you would get totally different results than what we seen now. Both can be predicted by the theory of evolution. Which goes to show how much variation there is in agreement about the particulars of that theory.

It's been created [should I use the c word?] to explain anything you want it to, as long as it doesn't involve supernatural forces, and yet we are expected to believe, despite ridiculous odds against it and despite never having observed it happening that life could have got started all on its own from lifeless chemicals (I wonder where they came from by the way) and then, without any guidance whatsoever, also find a way to reproduce itself and change into more complex life forms and so on. That sure takes a lot of faith in miracles and makes Jesus's raising the dead [an existing body with everything ready for life] quite simple by comparison. Actually, the example I have just quoted from scripture, just goes to show that some people will not accept God's truth, even if it is staring them in the face. Truth was and is very important to our Lord; it's mentioned 113 times alone in the Gospels. Jesus told us that He is the way, the truth and the life. I believe Him.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

This is what was said:No ... I do not believe a "habitable" planet was found.

I believe they found a planet the size of the earth -- that's all.

Saying it is "habitable" just because it is the size of the earth is like saying it's okay to swim in a pool of acid because it is the same size as an Olympic swimming pool.

You have to and probably do realise that there is an underlying agenda here - those who refuse to accept the possibility that a god in general and the God of the Bible in particular could be responsible for creating our awe-inspiring universe and life on our planet are desperate to find life elsewhere. But I'm happy to predict that they won't find it, because this planet is special and God's attention is focussed on what is taking place here

 

[DogmaHunter]

Since the statistical possibility is already way beyond impossible, that would be hard to do.

1. probability can't really be "beyond" impossible. Something is impossible or it isn't.

2. you can't calculate any probabilities concerning the unkown. By extension, any "statistic" claiming otherwise is bogus.

 

[AV1611VET]

you can't calculate any probabilities concerning the unkown.

On the other hand, you can't just create a file called UNKNOWN and file everything the Bible says into it.

But then, come to think of it, I guess you can nowadays.

Just don't expect all of us to accept science's filing system as well.

 

[joshua 1 9]

On the other hand, you can't just created a file called UNKNOWN and file everything the Bible says into it.

But then, come to think of it, I guess you can nowadays.

Just don't expect all of us to accept science's filing system as well.

Computers currently need one million atoms to store one bit of information. They are working on a new magnetic storage where twelve atoms will be able to store one bit of information.

 

[DogmaHunter]

On the other hand, you can't just created a file called UNKNOWN and file everything the Bible says into it.

But then, come to think of it, I guess you can nowadays.

Just don't expect all of us to accept science's filing system as well.

If you are having a "random comment" contest, I believe you are winning.

EDIT: actually, scratch that.... we have a new nominee for that title:

Computers currently need one million atoms to store one bit of information. They are working on a new magnetic storage where twelve atoms will be able to store one bit of information.

 

[AV1611VET]

EDIT: actually, scratch that.... we have a new nominee for that title:

QV please:

IBM Research has successfully demonstrated that you can store information in as few as 12 magnetic atoms – a discovery which could pave the way to smaller, faster and more energy efficient hard drives in our favourite devices.

Current hard-drives need around one million atoms to store a single bit of information, according to IBM's scientists, but that atomic limit of magnetic memory is just 12 atoms.

SOURCE

 

[paul becke]

You are referring to a different planet in your source. The planet I am referring to revolves around a star similar to our own and in a similar time. The point to be made though is that with each successive discovery of planets and Earth like planets, it statistically increases the likelihood for more of the same. If we discovered a mere million or more worlds in our galaxy the chances of even just one having life keeps growing. Yet when such a world is discovered the number of other worlds without life will point even more to the likelihood that life comes into existence by chance. It appears that God at least likes to play dice. If everything were intelligently designed there would be no need for all those lifeless planets.

'If everything were intelligently designed there would be no need for all those lifeless planets.'

There never was a need. But God likes to 'scatter the proud in the imagination of their hearts.' If there is no other life in the universe, as currently seems apparent, it would be a very characteristic way for God to show how especially precious we are in his eyes, as his children; indeed, in the process of being adopted into his own divine family of the Most Holy Trinity.

 

[AV1611VET]

'If everything were intelligently designed there would be no need for all those lifeless planets.'

No R&R for the angels!?