Pro-Life Protesting Behavior

[Arnold_Philips]

It has nothing to do with governing sexual activity.

The main thrust of anti-choice activists has always been controlling women.

 

[marblehead]

It has nothing to do with governing sexual activity.

If a person wants to be sexually active, but does not want to be "inconvienced" by a pregnancy, which is all that I got that "Mary" felt... inconvienced... then they should take steps to not get pregnant.

If you are all grown-up enough to have sex, then you should be all grown-up enough to know before hand that a doctor feels that you might not be able to easily carry a child. Things like that fall under a category called "responsibility".

Killing a child because you might have to drop out of school? Ending a life for your own convience? Not the actions of a responsible adult, in my opinion.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, while I am against abortion for any reason, I am also against the type of protest that was described.

And if you're all grown-up you should be able to make your own medical decisions without the government or self-righteous people telling you what to do.

 

[Chajara]

That's disgusting and those people ought to be ashamed of themselves. This is one thing I really, really hope I don't have to deal with now that I'm living in a larger city, because I had an abortion at 15 and if I'm called "babykiller" or "harlot" on the way in for my annual exam I'd likely have a complete emotional breakdown. It's a /very/ sensitive topic for me.

These people who shout and hurl insults don't care how they make these women feel and they don't care whether or not they're accomplishing something. If they did, they'd learn how to properly persuade someone to their side. All they're doing is satisfying their animal instincts to rip on someone who's doing something they deem unacceptable. They're no better than animals fighting over scraps of meat.

 

[Archivist]

That's disgusting and those people ought to be ashamed of themselves. This is one thing I really, really hope I don't have to deal with now that I'm living in a larger city, because I had an abortion at 15 and if I'm called "babykiller" or "harlot" on the way in for my annual exam I'd likely have a complete emotional breakdown. It's a /very/ sensitive topic for me.

Hopefully you will never have to deal with this. Stay strong. God bless you!

These people who shout and hurl insults don't care how they make these women feel and they don't care whether or not they're accomplishing something. If they did, they'd learn how to properly persuade someone to their side. All they're doing is satisfying their animal instincts to rip on someone who's doing something they deem unacceptable. They're no better than animals fighting over scraps of meat.

Scripture tells us that he who is without sin is to cast the first stone.

I wonder which of these people who yell these terrible things is without sin?

 

[Chajara]

Hopefully you will never have to deal with this. Stay strong. God bless you!



Scripture tells us that he who is without sin is to cast the first stone.

I wonder which of these people who yell these terrible things is without sin?

I pray that if I ever /do/ experience it, I will have the strength not to scream back. It would make me very, very angry. But I suppose if I did what felt good to do, which would be to attempt to hurt them for hurting me, then I'd be no better than them now would I?

And none of us is perfect. We've all done things that we either aren't or shouldn't be proud of. However, it feels good to hurt people who make you angry, and many people don't bother to control that.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

That's disgusting and those people ought to be ashamed of themselves. This is one thing I really, really hope I don't have to deal with now that I'm living in a larger city, because I had an abortion at 15 and if I'm called "babykiller" or "harlot" on the way in for my annual exam I'd likely have a complete emotional breakdown. It's a /very/ sensitive topic for me.

These people who shout and hurl insults don't care how they make these women feel and they don't care whether or not they're accomplishing something. If they did, they'd learn how to properly persuade someone to their side. All they're doing is satisfying their animal instincts to rip on someone who's doing something they deem unacceptable. They're no better than animals fighting over scraps of meat.

Thankyou for sharing such a personal story, and POV.

 

[KarateCowboy]

So it is better to risk the woman's life with limited or no prenatal care, or to continue with a life-threatening pregnancy? Not all abortions are done as a way of birth control - many have medical reasons that can not be treated as this time. It it much less barbaric to end an dangerous pregnancy than it is to let the mother suffer and die, or go through pregnancy and have a stillbirth, or a dangerous but preventable miscarriage.

Obviously not. But most infanticides are done as birth control.

 

[KarateCowboy]

The main thrust of anti-choice activists has always been controlling women.

Ok Arnold. Whatever. That's like saying that the main thrust of 'anti-choice' activists is to control men, because most murderers are men, and men should have a choice of what they do with their bodies. I like how you use 'anti-choice' to frame the debate in an Orwellian fashion, BTW. It only makes your position look more absurd because of the silliness of the idea of people sitting around fuming about how much they hate choosing things.

 

[MikeMcK]

One of my close friends went to a Planned Parenthood clinic yesterday and she encountered some pro-life protesters. For the purposes of this thread, we'll call her Mary.

She was going in to terminate a pregnancy after having concerns about her physical ability to bear a child. Her OBGYN told her that she would probably be ok but she couldnt make any promises. Mary is attending college for an engineering degree and has concerns about her ability to complete school as well as her physical ability to carry the baby and give birth. Rather than risk it and drop out of school, she decided it would be best to terminate.

Now normally we have pro-life protesters around the local Planned Parenthood clinic. Its a common scene and they generally havent caused much of a problem. But when Mary started walking in, the protestors began shouting at her, shoving signs in her face and pictures of aborted fetuses. One of the women there shouted that she was a harlot and should have kept her legs closed.

Normally I would guess that abortion protesters are atleast moderately civil, a few crazies, but generally contained. But whats with the intimidation? I mean seriously, yelling and screaming in front of a government building, thats one thing. Harassing and scaring a woman on her own and basically ATTACKING HER, what does that accomplish?

I no longer protest at clinics, but I can say that when I did, anyone who behaved that way would have been told to leave immediately.

 

[MikeMcK]

I think it is cruel to protest outside a medical clinic.

A place where people go to kill little babies is no more a medical clinic than Dachau was a medical clinic.

Even those woman who are are getting abortions may not be doing so because they want one.

You mean they're tied up and dragged there?

I am against abortion used as birth control - it is irresponsible on the part of both the man and the woman. However, there are times when abortion isn't used as birth control but because it is the only realistic option.

And those times would be...?

So it is better to risk the woman's life with limited or no prenatal care, or to continue with a life-threatening pregnancy? Not all abortions are done as a way of birth control - many have medical reasons that can not be treated as this time.

Less than 1%.

 

[KarateCowboy]

You mean they're tied up and dragged there?

Way to say it. From the way they're talking you would think they had no choice in the matter.

Less than 1%.

Yup. Of the approximately 4400 infanticides performed in the US daily about 44 of them are proper abortions done to save the life of the mother or something like that. That makes the other 4354 women guilty of murder. Some day, as society gets over the regression we experienced with Roe v Wade the people who advocate no justice for infanticide will be viewed the same way as the people who said "The only good Injun is a dead Injun".

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Of the approximately 4400 infanticides performed in the US daily about 44 of them are proper abortions done to save the life of the mother or something like that. That makes the other 4354 women guilty of murder.

Heres the fact of which you seem willfully ignorant... no the ARE NOT guilty of murder, because murder is a LEGAL term, and the LAW doesn't recognise a foetus as a person until it takes at least one breath.

You might not approve of the law the way it is, but don't make stuff up to suit your own agenda. Murder and abortion are completely different phenomena.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Heres the fact of which you seem willfully ignorant... no the ARE NOT guilty of murder, because murder is a LEGAL term, and the LAW doesn't recognise a foetus as a person until it takes at least one breath.

You might not approve of the law the way it is, but don't make stuff up to suit your own agenda. Murder and abortion are completely different phenomena.

Main Entry: 2murder
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mur·dered; mur·der·ing /'m&r-d(&-)ri[ng]/
transitive verb
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : [SIZE=-1]SLAY[/SIZE]
3 a : to put an end to b : [SIZE=-1]TEASE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]TORMENT[/SIZE] c : [SIZE=-1]MUTILATE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]MANGLE[/SIZE] <murders French> d : to defeat badly
intransitive verb : to commit murder
synonym see [SIZE=-1]KILL[/SIZE]

To slaughter wantonly. Synonym see KILL.

The law did not used to recognize slaves as people either. Do you want to be on that side of history? We're not talking about abortion here. To abort means to quit. We're talking about infanticide.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Main Entry: 2murder
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mur·dered; mur·der·ing /'m&r-d(&-)ri[ng]/
transitive verb
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : [SIZE=-1]SLAY[/SIZE]
3 a : to put an end to b : [SIZE=-1]TEASE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]TORMENT[/SIZE] c : [SIZE=-1]MUTILATE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]MANGLE[/SIZE] <murders French> d : to defeat badly
intransitive verb : to commit murder
synonym see [SIZE=-1]KILL[/SIZE]

To slaughter wantonly. Synonym see KILL.

The law did not used to recognize slaves as people either. Do you want to be on that side of history? We're not talking about abortion here. To abort means to quit. We're talking about infanticide.

Um, I'm sure you are aware that many words have different meanings in different contexts... and you are CLEARLY using the term "murder" in the legalistic sense.

That is, in the definition 1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

And abortion isn't unlawful, therefore, it isn't murder.

Quite right, the law DIDN'T used to recognise slaves... but, from a legal context, we can only operate within what the law defines TODAY... and TODAY it doesn't recognise abortion as murder. If the law chnges tommorrow, and says that abortion IS murder, well then there will be absolutely nothing wrong with your initial statement. However, its no good saying "well the law SHOULD change, so I'll pretend as though it has"

 

[Texas Lynn]

It has nothing to do with governing sexual activity.

Na klar. It has everything to do with people judging another because of the sexual activity one must engage in to become pregnant. The entire raison d'etre of the anti-choice movement is to control the sexuality of women.

If a person wants to be sexually active, but does not want to be "inconvienced" by a pregnancy, which is all that I got that "Mary" felt... inconvienced... then they should take steps to not get pregnant.

What you and everyone else should do is cease such smug judgmental utterances which contribute nothing of value and do much harm.

If you are all grown-up enough to have sex, then you should be all grown-up enough to know before hand that a doctor feels that you might not be able to easily carry a child. Things like that fall under a category called "responsibility".

And there is nothing whatsoever "irresponsible" about obtaining an abortion at all so your entire comment there is irrelevant.

Killing a child because you might have to drop out of school? Ending a life for your own convience? Not the actions of a responsible adult, in my opinion.

The inertia of the hubris in these unfortunate comments is incredible. First there is no "killing a child" in an abortion because a "child" is not involved. You are in no position to judge what is a trivial "inconvenience" for another. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one. Other wise mind your own business. Your business does not include determining what others do involving "convenience" as you sneeringly put it.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, while I am against abortion for any reason, I am also against the type of protest that was described.

We agree on one thing.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Um, I'm sure you are aware that many words have different meanings in different contexts... and you are CLEARLY using the term "murder" in the legalistic sense.

That is, in the definition 1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

And abortion isn't unlawful, therefore, it isn't murder.

Quite right, the law DIDN'T used to recognise slaves... but, from a legal context, we can only operate within what the law defines TODAY... and TODAY it doesn't recognise abortion as murder. If the law chnges tommorrow, and says that abortion IS murder, well then there will be absolutely nothing wrong with your initial statement. However, its no good saying "well the law SHOULD change, so I'll pretend as though it has"

No no, I did not mean in the legal sense. I am not a lawyer so unless I specify otherwise I am talking in the normal sense. Who would want to be like a lawyer anyway?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No no, I did not mean in the legal sense. I am not a lawyer so unless I specify otherwise I am talking in the normal sense. Who would want to be like a lawyer anyway?

you're talking about murder and infanticide as though it were unlawful, the context of your words is clear.

If you only meant to refer to killing a foetus, you would have SAID killing a foetus, rather than using "murder" in an inappropriately obscure fashion.

 

[KarateCowboy]

you're talking about murder and infanticide as though it were unlawful, the context of your words is clear.

If you only meant to refer to killing a foetus, you would have SAID killing a foetus, rather than using "murder" in an inappropriately obscure fashion.

Truly, you stand guilty of murdering the English language.

Would that be an inappropriately obscure fashion?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Truly, you stand guilty of murdering the English language.

What? *I wish I had a webcam so you could see the complete look of disbelief on my face*

 

[KarateCowboy]

What? *I wish I had a webcam so you could see the complete look of disbelief on my face*

Hey hey, I'm just pulling your leg now.