Primenumbers

[Wiccan_Child]

I didn't want to create a new thread so i look up an old one...

I just redefine the primes into the roman numerical system. i could say "1st prime, 2nd prime, 3th prime.." and go from there.

I first hatched the idea in the numercal system i created defining each and every number as a prime. But since the computer can't handle my numbers I altered it to roman numbers...

There's nothing wrong with sequentially labelling the primes, but your error is when you said the equivalent of "(12th prime) / (2nd prime) = (6th prime)", as that is demonstrably false.

 

[Chalnoth]

I didn't want to create a new thread so i look up an old one...

I just redefine the primes into the roman numerical system. i could say "1st prime, 2nd prime, 3th prime.." and go from there.

I first hatched the idea in the numercal system i created defining each and every number as a prime. But since the computer can't handle my numbers I altered it to roman numbers...

Well, like I said, you can do that. But what's the point? What does this new definition of division mean? What sorts of things can you do with this?

 

[Chalnoth]

There's nothing wrong with sequentially labelling the primes, but your error is when you said the equivalent of "(12th prime) / (2nd prime) = (6th prime)", as that is demonstrably false.

Well, you can do that as long as you redefine division. I just don't see the point in doing it.

 

[Lillen]

I didn't redefine the defintion, i devided in agreement with the rules 12/2=6, inorder to later define 6 as the 6th prime. Ofcourse I simplyfied it. I am using my very own alphabeth, that also stand as a numerical system. A whole own numerical system which i took to the bank (simply saying my very own wingdings). Defining each and every number as a prime from the latin numercial system.

Op/Lillen=Zorech. and zorech is defined as the 6th prime of the latin numerical system.

So what is this good for, It must be good for something?! Remeber binarycode is a rather new alphabeth that processors handle, and machinecode is a very own alphabeth which only a few can understand.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I didn't redefine the defintion, i devided in agreement with the rules 12/2=6, inorder to later define 6 as the 6th prime. Ofcourse I simplyfied it. I am using my very own alphabeth, that also stand as a numerical system. A whole own numerical system which i took to the bank (simply saying my very own wingdings). Defining each and every number as a prime from the latin numercial system.

Which is fine, but you're mixing up your numbering systems and your arithmetic to come to false conclusion. 13/3=5 only when talking about the 13th prime, etc, not when talking about the number 13 itself.

Op/Lillen=Zorech. and zorech is defined as the 6th prime of the latin numerical system.

So what is this good for, It must be good for something?!

I don't see how, as it's demonstrably false - 13 by 3 does not equal 5, not without changing definitions.

Remeber binarycode is a rather new alphabeth that processors handle, and machinecode is a very own alphabeth which only a few can understand.

Binary works, though.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well, you can do that as long as you redefine division. I just don't see the point in doing it.

True, but he's saying that you can use the preexisting rules of arithmetic to conclude that 13/3=5.

 

[Lillen]

So can you read machinecode?

 

[Lillen]

But 6th prime / 2nd prime do equal = 3rd prime. And third prime is 5. it's like arguing over a half empty glass of water... Op/lillen=zorech, per defintion. I can actually sue you if you alter it. - I will not do that though.

 

[Lillen]

Binary works because it is defined as on and off. But it's true, i havent decided what to use my letters and numbers for. So far it is just worth gold (about 102 kilo) which i get the intrest of. I tried to value it to the GNP of ten kingdoms, but they didn't agree of it. The characters are valued and insured! It needs to be set in use.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

So can you read machinecode?

Not with speed, but it can be done.

But 6th prime / 2nd prime do equal = 3rd prime. And third prime is 5. it's like arguing over a half empty glass of water...

No, it's not true, not at all. The 6th prime is 13, the 2nd is 3, and the 3rd is 5, so it is incorrect to say that 13/3 = 5. Rather, 13/3 = 4.333...

Unless you redefine arithmetic, it's simply incorrect to say the 6th prime divided by the 2nd prime equals the 3rd prime.

Op/lillen=zorech, per defintion. I can actually sue you if you alter it. - I will not do that though.

You really couldn't sue me if I alter it.

Op/lillen=2*zorech

There, I altered it. Where's my lawsuit?

Binary works because it is defined as on and off.

No, binary works because it uses the same system as ordinary numbering, it doesn't do anything new. It's useful because it has applications in anything which uses boolean logic - such as computers.

But it's true, i havent decided what to use my letters and numbers for. So far it is just worth gold (about 102 kilo) which i get the intrest of. The characters are valued and insured! It needs to be set in use.

It's worth 102 kg of gold? How did you work that out?

 

[Chalnoth]

I didn't redefine the defintion, i devided in agreement with the rules 12/2=6, inorder to later define 6 as the 6th prime. Ofcourse I simplyfied it. I am using my very own alphabeth, that also stand as a numerical system. A whole own numerical system which i took to the bank (simply saying my very own wingdings). Defining each and every number as a prime from the latin numercial system.

This is a complete redefinition of division, because the natural numbers can be understood in a very explicit way in which the prime numbers cannot: the natural numbers can be understood as a counting. That is to say, the number six is not just the sixth natural number, it can be thought of as the sum of a collection, such as saying it is six objects or six ones. The fact that the natural numbers do not only form a sequence but also form a way of counting items gives a natural way of understanding the addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division operations.

But the sequence of prime numbers is only well-understood as that: a sequence. The second prime number is not two first prime numbers: it is just the prime number that comes after the first.

Because the second prime number cannot be thought of as two first prime numbers, redefining the operation of division to operate on prime numbers in the way you have just doesn't make any sense. Or, at least, it doesn't make sense in the usual way that division makes sense. Perhaps there is some new way to make sense of the operation, but I see no purpose in bothering with this unless some new way of making sense of this operation is found, which I really really doubt can happen.

So what is this good for, It must be good for something?! Remeber binarycode is a rather new alphabeth that processors handle, and machinecode is a very own alphabeth which only a few can understand.

Why must it be good for something? Binary is good for computers because it is easy to build computing devices which can store information in two states (on or off). It's also good for formal logic (where the states are valid/invalid or true/false, depending upon the context).

Not every conceivable operation you can do with numbers is good for something.

 

[Elendur]

This is a complete redefinition of division, because the natural numbers can be understood in a very explicit way in which the prime numbers cannot: the natural numbers can be understood as a counting. That is to say, the number six is not just the sixth natural number, it can be thought of as the sum of a collection, such as saying it is six objects or six ones. The fact that the natural numbers do not only form a sequence but also form a way of counting items gives a natural way of understanding the addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division operations.

But the sequence of prime numbers is only well-understood as that: a sequence. The second prime number is not two first prime numbers: it is just the prime number that comes after the first.

Because the second prime number cannot be thought of as two first prime numbers, redefining the operation of division to operate on prime numbers in the way you have just doesn't make any sense. Or, at least, it doesn't make sense in the usual way that division makes sense. Perhaps there is some new way to make sense of the operation, but I see no purpose in bothering with this unless some new way of making sense of this operation is found, which I really really doubt can happen.


Why must it be good for something? Binary is good for computers because it is easy to build computing devices which can store information in two states (on or off). It's also good for formal logic (where the states are valid/invalid or true/false, depending upon the context).

Not every conceivable operation you can do with numbers is good for something.

great explanation!

 

[Lillen]

You are still using the latin numerical system while i use mine... It is dead end because we totally agree with you. -Using the latin numerical system it is impossible. but not using mine.

Not every conceivable operation you can do with numbers is good for something.

And there is my numbers again, with my numbers you can actually operate that way that you devide a prime - Per the defintion of the characters. Remeber we are using two seperate numerical system. I could actually go to court with you, If you try to alter mine.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You are still using the latin numerical system while i use mine... It is dead end because we totally agree with you. -Using the latin numerical system it is impossible. but not using mine.

First, the system is Arabic, not Latin.
Second, the way we write the numbers has nothing to do with whether or not you can do it. Relabelling them doesn't change anything.

And there is my numbers again, with my numbers you can actually operate that way that you devide a prime - Per the defintion of the characters. Remeber we are using two seperate numerical system.

Yes, but that doesn't let you do what you think it does. 13/3 doesn't equal 5, unless you change what 'division' means. The actual quantities don't divide that way, no matter what you call them.

I could actually go to court with you, If you try to alter mine.

Prove it.

 

[Lillen]

Remeber the invention is patented!!!

Now i am not relabelling the arabic (after your correction), that's your first misconception. There are alot of diffrences such as it doesn't count 10s, 100s, 1000s. - it counts Oskar's, Oskar'sOskars and OskarOskarOskarJesus and every sign, every character from André to Oskar has a representative number, Lillen/Zorech=Karl (to correct myself). Making it possible to devide the equvivalents of the primes in the arabic (i still think Latin), with other numbers then 1 and itself...

I am still working on the invention. Are you trying to steal my patent? My invention?

 

[Elendur]

Remeber the invention is patented!!!

Now i am not relabelling the arabic (after your correction), that's your first misconception. There are alot of diffrences such as it doesn't count 10s, 100s, 1000s. - it counts Oskar's, Oskar'sOskars and OskarOskarOskarJesus and every sign, every character from André to Oskar has a representative number, Lillen/Zorech=Karl (to correct myself). Making it possible to devide the equvivalents of the primes in the arabic (i still think Latin), with other numbers then 1 and itself...

I am still working on the invention. Are you trying to steal my patent? My invention?

If you've patented that you've wasted your money.

 

[Lillen]

Actaully no, it is valued to atleast, like i said, 102 kilo gold or 6 talents or minas, with the argument that an alfabeth, and numerical system can be worth alot. It all depends on which messurement of minas you use (greek, roman, israelii, etc). I tried to value it for the GNP of ten kingdoms. The court kept me informed that they count 17 kilo per talent it is messured in, giving me the mentioned estimation of 102 kilo. Remeber it is insured.

 

[Elendur]

Actaully no, it is valued to atleast, like i said, 102 kilo gold or 6 talents or minas, with the argument that an alfabeth, and numerical system can be worth alot. It all depends on which messurement of minas you use (greek, roman, israelii, etc). I tried to value it for the GNP of ten kingdoms. The court kept me informed that they count 17 kilo per talent, giving me the mentioned estimation of 102 kilo. Remeber it is insured.

Then I would advice you to claim that gold as soon as possible before the court comes to its senses.

 

[Lillen]

Remeber it is insured. If arabs could do it, so can I. And to inform you again an alphabeth and numerical system can be worth alot. If you try to undermine the value of mine, i can undermine the latin and arabic.

Go to CMD and open an exe or com -file in edit by using edit. What you see there is machinecode - a whole own set of characters forming a language and translating it to the way computers compute. How much do you think that is worth? It is not worthless i tell you that. Since they could do it so can i. I know bloody parants that insure their childrens paintings for 200 000 sek, with the argument that art can be worth that much.

 

[Freodin]

I fear old Lillen is off his medications again.