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Prime Numbers, Gaps, Reality and Evolution
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MrsLurking
Retired Biblical scholar; Verysincere's wife.
Is this a parody of creationist anti-evolution videos? By 4:30 it had become such a string of non-sequitar nonsense that there were no reason to sit through the drivel to the end only to be hit by one of those loud "Gottcha!!!" taunts with a laugh track making fun of me for thinking it was serious.
I *will* give it credit for a few new twists on top of the classic evolution-denying arguments. The prime number tutorial was probably a good idea for convincing the science-illiterate viewer that the video was somehow "deep" and "science-ey." But the lame claims like "there are zero translational fossil forms" barely escaped laughed in the 1960's ---and today such lies are far too easy to refute. You can go to zoology websites and see long lists of translational fossils categorized in virtual every possible taxonomic category. (Plus, there's just too many cases of evolution being directly observable today, in both the laboratory and in nature. Of course, ring species have been studied for years now. And nylonase evolution in flavobacteria has been repeatedly induced in the lab after observing it in nature. And its frame-shift mutation dispels the idiotic claim that mutations are always harmful.)
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MrsLurking
Retired Biblical scholar; Verysincere's wife.
I'm surprised that the video didn't at least try to make a connection between the prime number "argument" and evolution. Only the most gullible would stand for that logic-leap without wondering "Why should the properties of prime numbers govern or inform how evolution should work?"
On the other hand, these kinds of videos are never meant to actually convince anyone of anything. They only are meant to reassure the creationist choir one is preaching to at the time. Nobody else is ever going to fall for such a disconnected series of disjoint observations, pseudo-science, and empty claims.
Thanks for sharing the video. It was kind of fun, in its own way. (My husband and I are both former young earth creationists so it is always interesting to watch something like this together and see how it relates to our own trek out of the "creation science" cult. Thankfully, we made it out with our faith in Christ and the Bible intact! Not everyone is so fortunate. Lies always hurt the people who fall for them.)
On the other hand, these kinds of videos are never meant to actually convince anyone of anything. They only are meant to reassure the creationist choir one is preaching to at the time. Nobody else is ever going to fall for such a disconnected series of disjoint observations, pseudo-science, and empty claims.
Thanks for sharing the video. It was kind of fun, in its own way. (My husband and I are both former young earth creationists so it is always interesting to watch something like this together and see how it relates to our own trek out of the "creation science" cult. Thankfully, we made it out with our faith in Christ and the Bible intact! Not everyone is so fortunate. Lies always hurt the people who fall for them.)
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MrsLurking
Retired Biblical scholar; Verysincere's wife.
By the way, for the video's classic lie that evolution and transitions have never been observed, here's a website I just today discovered. It explains the many kinds of "transitions" by taxonomic and other types of categories. Easily readable by the average layperson:
Observed Evolutionary Changes
Creationists who read that webpage can no longer lie about evolution never having been observed!
Observed Evolutionary Changes
Creationists who read that webpage can no longer lie about evolution never having been observed!
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Thanks for watching. Please feel free to comment again when you actually get what the video is about.
Disproving the Idea of Evolution - YouTube
Disproving the Idea of Evolution - YouTube
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MrsLurking
Retired Biblical scholar; Verysincere's wife.
I had a chance to watch the rest of it. OK. It was unintentionally funny. The music (which I enjoyed) fooled me.
Yes, it certainly took a new angle (or at least, new to me) of using general observations about unrelated topics to try and deny the overwhelming evidence which God the Creator has provided in his creation. I always find it fascinating when my Christian brethren are willing to believe God's Book of Scripture (or at least, their tradition-driven corruption of it) but NOT God's Book of Creation.
But God is not a liar. He doesn't try to fool us with contradictions. He doesn't do what pastors in my childhood used to say: "God put dinosaur bones in the ground to test the faith of believers and to confound and deceive the evil atheist scientists."
I cringe to think how many people are driven from the Kingdom when this kind of pseudo-science drivel is used as an obstacle to the Great Commission. No doubt, this ranks among the biggest lies which the Father of all lies uses to deceive many. But false teachers will always be among us----until the tares are removed from the wheat in the final harvest. "Depart from me. I never knew you."
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You are babbling and embarrassing yourself - please stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2QtsXXMuTU&list=PLhNI9QxK5yhsmVzjd_HjJFuEmy_-wDrni&index=3
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Our minds are not capable of grasping reality. See 6:01 on the video.
We know that the reality beyond our perception is discontinuous and non linear - Evolution does not conform these requirements and therefor not a valid description of the natural world.
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That's not an argument against evolution -- that's an argument that humans know anything at all about anything. It's also wrong. The reason we know that reality is discontinuous (to the extent that we know that it is) and nonlinear is that our study of physics tells us so. But evolution is entirely consistent with physics, including its discontinuous, nonlinear aspects.
It looks like someone throwing a lot of sciency-sounding fluff in the air.
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I don't think you are dealing with the issue. You seem to be in denial that evolution is an outdated model that was cutting edge in the 19th century.
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I don't see an argument here -- just another bald assertion. Exactly how much do you know about either quantum mechanics or evolutionary biology, anyway? Why would I want to take your word (or the word of a youtube video maker) over my own experience?I don't think you are dealing with the issue. You seem to be in denial that evolution is an outdated model that was cutting edge in the 19th century.
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Keachian
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All I got from that was taking the idea of God of the Gaps to a level that I haven't seen before. We do not have a God who just waits for the gaps to happen and moves in them, our God is sovereign over all things and acts just as much outside of the gaps as within them.
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Shoot the messenger ?
Thank you for watching and for your comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2QtsXXMuTU&list=PLhNI9QxK5yhsmVzjd_HjJFuEmy_-wDrni&index=3
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Keachian
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If our minds are not capable of grasping reality then there is no way that we can assert that God is real. If our minds cannot comprehend reality then why is reason and understanding of reality one of the things that have come from a Christian theology and understanding of God.
Just out of interest what would you have in its place? The video certainly doesn't replace evolution with anything, do you have anything to offer?
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I think you have missed the point. The video is about the nature of reality and how incapable the human mind is of taking it all in.
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God ways are higher than our ways - His thoughts higher than ours. The theory of evolution is like Superman's cape. If Superman needs a cape to fly then he is really not superman. If he doesn't need it then why is it a part of his costume? And like superman, evolution is a fiction that pretends to do something that no man can - leap a tall building and fully comprehend nature. It is good to know ones limitations - don't you agree?
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Having studied the issue for a number of years this is the best explanation I have come up with.
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Keachian
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Sounds incredibly postmodern or Islamic to me, our God has condescended to us and spoken to us and even though it is more like a mother to a child he has made it clear that he is consistent in his actions and that is not what I see you saying. Instead what I see you saying is God's ways are greater than ours, therefore don't bother, that's not even what God says, he says come let us reason together, and I will be his Father and he will be my son. It is a relationship that will ultimately lead a believer into the full knowledge of God.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that it is only by accepting evolution that we can do this, far from it, my main concern is that you are misrepresenting God as inapproachable, when he has as we remember at this time of year gone to such great and extravagant lengths to have us. We can boldly approach the throne room of God, and he has already imparted much more wisdom to us through that which makes foolish the wisdom of the world (that is the Cross)
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