"Pretending to be smart is not the same thing as being educated."

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What is it with this "Atheist (sorry, I mean 'seekers')" routine you have going?
It is a "routine," that calls out fakers in a similar way that Jesus mocked the Pharisees and other religious leaders of his culture.

I have a number of friends who are atheists. They have good reasons for their beliefs. They are fun to engage in philosophical conversations and we are generous with each other's viewpoints careful not to misrepresent them.

My experience at CF is that a lot of "seekers," don't ask any of the questions students and other seekers I have encountered in my evangelistic work have asked over the last 30 years.

Here "seekers," seem to be over-representing skeptics without any seeking behavior common to seekers historically.
 
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Opinions are knowledge claims. They are based on knowledge.
Unsupported beliefs = opinions
Justified true beliefs = knowledge

All claims are beliefs.

What turns beliefs into "knowledge" are

Beliefs are true

Beliefs have reasons (arguments and evidence)

Look up epistemology and you will see these distinctions.
 
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Unsupported beliefs = opinions
Justified true beliefs = knowledge

All claims are beliefs.

What turns beliefs into "knowledge" are

Beliefs are true

Beliefs have reasons (arguments and evidence)

Look up epistemology and you will see these distinctions.
Not all opinions are unsupported. Opinions are true if they are verifiable. If they are verifiable, they are true.
 
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Not all opinions are unsupported. Opinions are true if they are verifiable. If they are verifiable, they are true.
You seem to miss the point.

There is a standard definition for knowledge. It is accepted widely by philosophers of knowledge!

I am not going to reinvent new terms that equivocate when the body of knowledge has created a standard held for the last 50+ years.

We could go round and round doing an deep conceptual analysis over the meaning of every term in every sentence for a near-infinite amount of time.

That said, if one hasn't been exposed to epistemology the distinction can be easily lost. Here is a resource that my help.

 
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Some opinions are supported, and some are not. No need to cover "the body of knowledge has created a standard held for the last 50+ years."
 
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There are actually not that many people with the seeker faith icon around, so I'm no sure who you're talking about.
 
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There are actually not that many people with the seeker faith icon around, so I'm no sure who you're talking about.
I gave a method of engraging claims above. You seemed to offer another class of anti knowledge or faking. Namely, obscurantism!

A style characterized by deliberate vagueness or abstrusiveness. E.G. "I'm not sure what your talking about," said in response to any claim. Rinse and repeat.

You sure you are not a "Seeker?"
 
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Nope, I'm a discordian.
 
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Some opinions are supported, and some are not. No need to cover "the body of knowledge has created a standard held for the last 50+ years."
Did you get a chance to do some research into my claim to "verify" if it was true and had evidential support? Did you watch the video?
 
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Did you get a chance to do some research into my claim to "verify" if it was true and had evidential support? Did you watch the video?
It's apparent that some opinions are supported. There is no need to watch a video to establish this.
 
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It's apparent that some opinions are supported. There is no need to watch a video to establish this.
You have given us a great example of the type of rhetoric that flourishes out here on this forum. No education desired or required. You are now giving a justification for why the last 50 years of epistemology is wrong based on making up stuff. Bringing us to where we began, "Pretending to be smart is not the same thing as education," but for those who reject education as you have perhaps pretense is all that is left. These attitudes were prevalent during Jesus' day especially with religious leaders.
 
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Some opinions are supported. This is evident. Denying this based on "last 50 years of epistemology" (whatever that means) is silly.
 
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Hmm, poisoning the well or strawman? I guess it can be two things.
 
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The IQ test was not bothering to read your entire condescending post.

Which I passed with flying colors...
 
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The IQ test was not bothering to read your entire condescending post.

Which I passed with flying colors...
Oh, I can't wait to read how this makes you intellectually inferior to OP.
 
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Right. So read the peer-reviewed literature, not a journalist's often woefully inaccurate interpretation of the research.
Did you miss my point on quality of research,
If you think reading a magazine about science adequately informs you about research you are mistaken.
 
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If you think reading a magazine about science adequately informs you about research you are mistaken.
I don't know. I read about a new transplant option in the NY Times so I'm now a qualified surgeon. You'd think that would apply to something less rigorous such as the hard sciences.
 
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Some opinions are supported, and some are not. No need to cover "the body of knowledge has created a standard held for the last 50+ years."

I think the OP has reguarly fallen into the trap that it is easy to demand more of people who disagree with you.

It's called confirmation bias, most suffer from it.

It's also easier to complain about other people's lack of ability/education than to make a real contribution. The irony that the OP calls himself "uber genius" and complains about people pretending to be smart should be lost on no one.


Educated people are probably aware of the idea of a false trichotomy.
 
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