"Pretending to be smart is not the same thing as being educated."

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The title above is a Halle Berry line off a movie called, "The Program."

One of my continuing frustrations on most forums these days is running into individuals who pretend to have done their homework but haven't. In fact within a few seconds of reading a post it is clear that they haven't even done a 30-second Google search on the topic of which they are pontificating.

Method for Pretending to Be Smart:

Questioning ad nauseam

Don't do research just repeat back you objector's question and put a "What causes that," in front of it. Trick is you don't have to know anything and can produce an infinite amount of questions pretending to be engaged intellectually (especially effective with complex inferences such as philosophical arguments, or historical sciences). Further you can avoid justifying truth claims by pretending you don't have to justify you own claims. (Young Earth creationist and just about every atheist (sorry I meant to say "seeker") on this forum use this method.

Create and then attack straw men

This method is so simple (pronounced in a thick New Jersey accent). Just misrepresent the particular inference such as "Faith is believing something for which there is no evidence." Next attack the ridiculousness of the statement (remember you must pretend that it actually is a fair representation...not your own absurd definition) for more: read any New Atheist publication.

Anachronistic fallacy (wait what?) (no, wait when!)

Slavery is bad. The bible condones slavery. The Bible is bad.

Here we just pretend that values we hold for the last few decades in the west are ubiquitous across all culture and all times. Again, I have yet to see a New Atheist that doesn't return over and over to this method. Don't worry few people have ever heard of the anachronistic fallacy so you can use it on theists with impunity.

How to avoid pretense and actually learn something.

1 - Research the topic
Use respected sources (not wiki crowd sourced research
which can be at times excellent at at other times complete
propaganda)

Peer-reviewed literature in journals specializing in a
particular body of knowledge. "Science News" as opposed
to "Scientific American"

For philosophical topics try Plato.org or internet
encyclopedia of philosophy.

2 - Represent the topic and particular problem and give reasons why you pick one inference over the next. No shifting burden of proof. If you claim no knowledge (agnostic) then fine, but if you claim that a particular inference is true in the real external world be prepared to defend it with reasons and evidence. (Atheists often fall into this fallacy regarding God's existence, theists also make a similar mistake when they refuse to give reasons for God's existence (claiming their faith is superior because they don't have reasons (I will do an entire post on this foolishness).

Example:

Universe appears fine-tuned for life.

The cause is:

Chance, or a result of the physical laws, or design.

An educated person would represent the best evidence for all 3 inferences. Then give reasons such as explanatory power why one inference is better than the next.

I hope I have offended those who are intellectually lazy and just pretend to be smart. I have included an IQ test hidden in this post and will reveal it once I get some comments.
 
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I don't see anything to comment on.

Guess that means I either failed or passed the test.

Also, you don't have to say seeker. Not every atheist seeks new insights about religion or a diety, some are quite comfortable being an atheist. And it's not a dirty word.
 
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The title above is a Halle Berry line off a move called, "The Program."

One of my continuing frustrations on most forums these days is running into individuals who pretend to have done their homework but haven't. In fact within a few seconds of reading a post it is clear that they haven't even done a 30-second Google search on the topic of which they are pontificating.

Method for Pretending to Be Smart:

Questioning ad nauseam

Don't do research just repeat back you objector's question and put a "What causes that," in front of it. Trick is you don't have to know anything and can produce an infinite amount of questions pretending to be engaged intellectually (especially effective with complex inferences such as philosophical arguments, or historical sciences). Further you can avoid justifying truth claims by pretending you don't have to justify you own claims. (Young Earth creationist and just about every atheist (sorry I meant to say "seeker") on this forum use this method.

Create and then attack straw men

This method is so simple (pronounced in a thick New Jersey accent). Just misrepresent the particular inference such as "Faith is believing something for which there is no evidence." Next attack the ridiculousness of the statement (remember you must pretend that it actually is a fair representation...not your own absurd definition) for more: read any New Atheist publication.

Anachronistic fallacy (wait what?) (no, wait when!)

Slavery is bad. The bible condones slavery. The Bible is bad.

Here we just pretend that values we hold for the last few decades in the west are ubiquitous across all culture and all times. Again, I have yet to see a New Atheist that doesn't return over and over to this method. Don't worry few people have ever heard of the anachronistic fallacy so you can use it on theists with impunity.

How to avoid pretense and actually learn something.

1 - Research the topic
Use respected sources (not wiki crowd sourced research
which can be at times excellent at at other times complete
propaganda)

Peer-reviewed literature in journals specializing in a
particular body of knowledge. "Science News" as opposed
to "Scientific American"

For philosophical topics try Plato.org or internet
encyclopedia of philosophy.

2 - Represent the topic and particular problem and give reasons why you pick one inference over the next. No shifting burden of proof. If you claim no knowledge (agnostic) then fine, but if you claim that a particular inference is true in the real external world be prepared to defend it with reasons and evidence. (Atheists often fall into this fallacy regarding God's existence, theists also make a similar mistake when they refuse to give reasons for God's existence (claiming their faith is superior because they don't have reasons (I will do an entire post on this foolishness).

Example:

Universe appears fine-tuned for life.

The cause is:

Chance, or a result of the physical laws, or design.

An educated person would represent the best evidence for all 3 inferences. Then give reasons such as explanatory power why one inference is better than the next.

I hope I have offended those who are intellectually lazy and just pretend to be smart. I have included an IQ test hidden in this post and will reveal it once I get some comments.

Not interested at all.
 
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The title above is a Halle Berry line off a move called, "The Program."
Since you had to pull your thread title from a movie, and couldn't come up with one yourself, can we assume that you are also just pretending to be smart?
 
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Socrates was the wisest man in Greece, since he was the only man that knew he knew nothing.
I doesn't take a lot to think up a cute soundbyte.

And wisdom is a hazy concept and different from intelligence, anyway.
 
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I doesn't take a lot to think up a cute soundbyte.
Agreed, but it isn't mine. This is what the Pythia at Delphi supposedly said about him. I just thought it applicable to the OP's frustrations.
And wisdom is a hazy concept and different from intelligence, anyway.
Agreed. Intelligence is just as hazy though.
 
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Peer-reviewed literature in journals specializing in a
particular body of knowledge. "Science News" as opposed
to "Scientific American"
"Science News" is not a peer-reviewed journal.
 
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"Science News" is not a peer-reviewed journal.
"Science News is an American bi-weekly magazine devoted to short articles about new scientific and technical developments, typically gleaned from recent scientific and technical journals."

The "Recent Scientific Technical Journals," are peer-reviewed!

Did you miss my point on quality of research, because you clearly missed the point about straw men. Thanks for you exempli gratia on extending a point to the rediculous and then attacking your own extension. I couldn't have done better.
 
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Since you had to pull your thread title from a movie, and couldn't come up with one yourself, can we assume that you are also just pretending to be smart?
Congratulations you just equivocated an example with lack of creativity. Nicely done. Thanks for your pretense.
 
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I doesn't take a lot to think up a cute soundbyte.

And wisdom is a hazy concept and different from intelligence, anyway.
But my post was about education, not wisdom or intelligence.

My thesis is that all can educate themselves and that lack of formal training in no way needs to limit one's ability to engage topic intelligently.
 
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Bound the topic and be specific.

E.G. The Copenhagen inference best explains the data of the double slit experiment in quantum mechanics.

Give reasons supported by research.

Engage other inferences fairly and accurately.

Be humble about the limits of knowledge.

Almost all knowledge progresses over time, including knowledge about math and knowledge about God and his work in creation. Don't over-represent what is currently known due to gaps of explanatory power.
 
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Ideally, each poster would have carefully crafted arguments for each post. This is an Internet forum though, not an academic symposium.
Thanks for the textbook example of an either/or fallacy!

Actually we are not caught on the horns of a dilemma. Your false dilemma can be solved by a third option. Namely, when making knowledge claims as opposed to giving opinions, justify those claims with research and a sound method.

If this forum was devoid of knowledge claims you would have a fair point. But it would be hard to justify that premise given the most rudimentary examination of any apologetics threads or Christian theology threads or philosophy threads.
 
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So far I've encountered insouciance, a strawman fallacy, equivocation, non-sequitur, and a false dilemma. Inauspicious. But no one has failed the IQ test yet. That is something I guess. Historically atheists (sorry, I mean "Seekers") are over-represented as a class in the "Pretending to be Smart" category. Surprised they haven't chimed in here.
 
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But my post was about education, not wisdom or intelligence.

My thesis is that all can educate themselves and that lack of formal training in no way needs to limit one's ability to engage topic intelligently.
Wasn't replying to your post.
 
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So far I've encountered insouciance, a strawman fallacy, equivocation, non-sequitur, and a false dilemma. Inauspicious. But no one has failed the IQ test yet. That is something I guess. Historically atheists (sorry, I mean "Seekers") are over-represented as a class in the "Pretending to be Smart" category. Surprised they haven't chimed in here.
What is it with this "Atheist (sorry, I mean 'seekers')" routine you have going?
 
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Thanks for the textbook example of an either/or fallacy!

Actually we are not caught on the horns of a dilemma. Your false dilemma can be solved by a third option. Namely, when making knowledge claims as opposed to giving opinions, justify those claims with research and a sound method.

If this forum was devoid of knowledge claims you would have a fair point. But it would be hard to justify that premise given the most rudimentary examination of any apologetics threads or Christian theology threads or philosophy threads.
Opinions are knowledge claims. They are based on knowledge.
 
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