Preparing for the Second Coming of Yeshua (Part 3)

[Humble Penny]

Alright so we've covered the fact that there 7,000 Years for the world to exist, stated that Christ will return after 6,000 Years, and that He died and rose from the dead after 5,500 Years. Now we must narrow down exactly where we are to know how much time is left before His Second Coming.

Beginning with the End in Mind
Seeing that the Final Judgment will occur 7000 AM we know that prior to this is the Millennial Kingdom; and prior to the Millennial Kingdom is the 70th Week of Daniel:

Final Judgment to Millennial Kingdom
7000 AM - 1,000 Years = 6000 AM

Millennial Kingdom to 70th Week
6000 AM - 7 Years = 5993 AM

70th Week to Christ's Resurrection
5993 AM - 5500 AM = 493 Years

Now let us take the traditional date given for the "fall" of the Western Roman Empire in 476 AD...

5500 AM = 30 AD (Christ's Death)
5470 AM = 1 AD (Christ's Birth)

30 AD + 446 Years = 476 AD

...now we must convert the Anno Domini years to Anno Mundi years...

476 AD + 5,470 Years = 5946 AM

This clear demonstration shows that 2,020 Years haven't passed from the birth of Christ, nor have 1,991 Years passed from His death. And that period called the Middle Ages is most likely a fabrication: for it relies on the supposed history of the "unbroken line of popes" to be true...yet when the church was persecuted there is not one shred of evidence that the Catholic church nor any of it's popes were being tortured...maybe they were lying in bed with the 9 Roman Emperor's who tortured and killed our early brothers and sisters?

Anyways if you want to know how I arrived at the exact year we are in then you must read these two blog posts starting with the first on the list:

Hiding The Messaiah: Falsification Of Genesis 5 & 11 (Conclusion)

28 Year Correction Leads To Great Tribulation In 2040 AD

 

[BeingThere]

His coming will be at a time you may not know, in this life, if you are faithful, with eyes and a clean heart. Stop all this nonsense.


Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
(Matthew 16:28)

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
(Mark 13:35–37)

 

[BobRyan]

Now we must narrow down exactly where we are to know how much time is left before His Second Coming.

How do you define the term "second coming"?
How do you define "rapture"??

Where do you put 1 Thess 4:13-18??
Where do you put Matt 24:29-31 ??
Where do you put John 14:1-3??

They appear to be the same event.

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.



John 14:1-3
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many rooms; if that were not so, I would have told you, because I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am, there you also will be.

 

[Humble Penny]

How do you define the term "second coming"?
How do you define "rapture"??

Where do you put 1 Thess 4:13-18??
Where do you put Matt 24:29-31 ??
Where do you put John 14:1-3??

They appear to be the same event.

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.



John 14:1-3
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many rooms; if that were not so, I would have told you, because I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am, there you also will be.

The Second Coming is very easy to define: the First Coming of Christ is when He was born, was crucified, buried, and resurrected on the 3rd Day. Therefore His Second Coming will be at the close of the 70th Week as we clearly read in Revelation.

As for the rapture...it is not the wishful thinking that is proclaimed commonly where the believers will be taken up by God during the Great Tribulation...the passage you quoted from Matthew and Thessalonians are directly connected to the first resurrection spoken of by John:

”And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.” Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.” And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."
Revelation 19:11-21; 20:1-6 NASB1995

As for the passage from John that would be connected to the new heavens and the new earth prophesied by Isaiah and John. In all cases these things happen after the Great Tribulation...not before or during. The dead are raised first and then the brethren alive after the Great Tribulation will be caught up in the air to meet with Christ who will defeat the Beast and the False Prophet, and have Satan imprisoned in the bottomless pit.

 

[Humble Penny]

His coming will be at a time you may not know, in this life, if you are faithful, with eyes and a clean heart. Stop all this nonsense.


Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
(Matthew 16:28)

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
(Mark 13:35–37)

Maybe you forgot the fact that God revealed to Noah what year the Flood would come and how many years there were before it? The Flood occured in the 600th Year of Noah and God gave mankind 120 Years to repent...yet after 120 Years had transpired God gave mankind an extra week to repent: therefore Noah began preaching in his 480th Year. In the same way God has given mankind 120 Jubilees/6,000 Years to repent before Christ returns.

And looks like you also forgot that God revealed to Abraham that He was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah within that year...yet never revealed the exact day or hour. However in God's mercy He also revealed to Lot about the same event and thus gave him and his family time to escape.

In the same way God has given all believers who take His Word seriously the year in which things will occur. If you want to be caught unprepared that's on you and all who think the same way you do to keep thinking Christ's coming is "imminent". That of course ignores the clear prophecy of Revelation which says Christ will come right after the Great Tribulation which is at the end of Daniel's 70th Week.

 

[Isilwen]

The Flood occured in the 600th Year of Noah and God gave mankind 120 Years to repent...yet after 120 Years had transpired God gave mankind an extra week to repent: therefore Noah began preaching in his 480th Year.

Are you talking about this?

Then the Lord said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” Genesis 6:3 NRSV

 

[Humble Penny]

Are you talking about this?

Then the Lord said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” Genesis 6:3 NRSV

Yes.

 

[Isilwen]

Yes.

I'm pretty sure that was just God reducing the age of which humans lived to and hadn't given them 120 years plus an extra week to repent.

You can see the age of man reduce later on after the flood.

 

[Humble Penny]

I'm pretty sure that was just God reducing the age of which humans lived to and hadn't given them 120 years plus an extra week to repent.

You can see the age of man reduce later on after the flood.

There is no evidence of this for Noah died after living 950 Years. According to your guess this means that God reduced Noah's life from 1,070 Years to 950 Years which makes no sense since Noah never lived past the year of his death. Just listen to how silly that sounds:

God: Noah you have reached the age of 1,070 Years, but because of the evil in the world you will now only live to be 950 Years old.

Such a thing would make God sound terribly dumb...and we know God is not dumb, but a God of Wisdom. If you recall the story of king Hezekiah we clearly read that God increased his life span by 15 Years. And the ages of the people following Noah show that the life span of man decreased as the rate of sin increased.

And since this is the case we also can't say that man was given a limit of 120 Years to live as many people after Noah were living well past that time. Therefore the only proper reading of this 120 Year period is that God gave mankind that much time to repent.

 

[Humble Penny]

I'm pretty sure that was just God reducing the age of which humans lived to and hadn't given them 120 years plus an extra week to repent.

You can see the age of man reduce later on after the flood.

And if we look at the context of this pat of the story of Noah the meaning of the 120 Years becomes clear:

"Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
Genesis 6:1‭-‬4 NASB1995

So we catch a glimpse of what brought the great evil into the world and why God decided to send the Flood: the sons of God (i.e. heavenly angels) corrupted themselves with the daughters of Adam (i.e. his female descendants) and had unholy offspring by them. So God made it clear in His own words that he wasn't going to go back and forth with mankind forever as we are flesh and subject to death: and because of our mortality God set the time of repentance for our ancient ancestors at 120 Years.

 

[Isilwen]

There is no evidence of this for Noah died after living 950 Years. According to your guess this means that God reduced Noah's life from 1,070 Years to 950 Years which makes no sense since Noah never lived past the year of his death. Just listen to how silly that sounds:

God: Noah you have reached the age of 1,070 Years, but because of the evil in the world you will now only live to be 950 Years old.

Such a thing would make God sound terribly dumb...and we know God is not dumb, but a God of Wisdom. If you recall the story of king Hezekiah we clearly read that God increased his life span by 15 Years. And the ages of the people following Noah show that the life span of man decreased as the rate of sin increased.

And since this is the case we also can't say that man was given a limit of 120 Years to live as many people after Noah were living well past that time. Therefore the only proper reading of this 120 Year period is that God gave mankind that much time to repent.

And as I said, if you look at the ages from the time of Noah moving forward, they decrease. It has nothing to do with repenting.

God didn't automatically make it so man lived 120 years. He cut the time that man was alive slowly. Again, you can see this in the ages going forward as they reduce in years.

 

[Isilwen]

And if we look at the context of this pat of the story of Noah the meaning of the 120 Years becomes clear:

"Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
Genesis 6:1‭-‬4 NASB1995

So we catch a glimpse of what brought the great evil into the world and why God decided to send the Flood: the sons of God (i.e. heavenly angels) corrupted themselves with the daughters of Adam (i.e. his female descendants) and had unholy offspring by them. So God made it clear in His own words that he wasn't going to go back and forth with mankind forever as we are flesh and subject to death: and because of our mortality God set the time of repentance for our ancient ancestors at 120 Years.

I stand by what I have said. It has nothing to do with repenting and everything to do with how long God has allowed us to live.

 

[Humble Penny]

I'm pretty sure that was just God reducing the age of which humans lived to and hadn't given them 120 years plus an extra week to repent.

You can see the age of man reduce later on after the flood.

And as I said, if you look at the ages from the time of Noah moving forward, they decrease. It has nothing to do with repenting.

God didn't automatically make it so man lived 120 years. He cut the time that man was alive slowly. Again, you can see this in the ages going forward as they reduce in years.

In your two posts which I have quoted--with my emphasis added-- you state two very different things:

1) God reduced man's age so they lived to 120 Years.
2) God didn't reduce the age of man to 120 Years, but slowly reduced the number of years man lived.

Which is it?

 

[Humble Penny]

I stand by what I have said. It has nothing to do with repenting and everything to do with how long God has allowed us to live.

Guess you missed the part when God told Abraham that if He found even five righteous people in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that He would spare them? And didn't God also tell Jonah to preach to the Ninevites in the hopes that they would repent of their sins and turn to Him, and He would turn his wrath from them? This is no different with the story of Noah, nor our present day.

And what did Christ say at the opening of His ministry?

"Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."

 

[Isilwen]

In your two posts which I have quoted--with my emphasis added-- you state two very different things:

1) God reduced man's age so they lived to 120 Years.
2) God didn't reduce the age of man to 120 Years, but slowly reduced the number of years man lived.

Which is it?

It's both. They are not mutually exclusive. I meant both things as I never said that the years that man would live was suddenly reduced to 120. Scripture doesn't say that. I actually just read these scriptures yesterday and today as part of my Bible reading plan, so they are fresh in my mind.

 

[Isilwen]

Guess you missed the part when God told Abraham that if He found even five righteous people in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that He would spare them? And didn't God also tell Jonah to preach to the Ninevites in the hopes that they would repent of their sins and turn to Him, and He would turn his wrath from them? This is no different with the story of Noah, nor our present day.

And what did Christ say at the opening of His ministry?

"Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."

I never once said that God has never said for man to repent. You are misrepresenting what I said.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

I'm pretty sure ...

Is there another question in there?

 

[Isilwen]

Is there another question in there?

No, but I thought that this would be considered fellowship.

 

[Humble Penny]

I stand by what I have said. It has nothing to do with repenting and everything to do with how long God has allowed us to live.

I never once said that God has never said for man to repent. You are misrepresenting what I said.

No I think you are not paying attention to the actual words of your argument. The first quote has you claiming that the 120 Years God set for man has nothing to do with repentance but the length of man's life. My response to you was that this isn't the case but, has everything to do with the number of years God gave mankind during the days of Noah to repent before He sent the Flood.

I'm pretty sure that was just God reducing the age of which humans lived to and hadn't given them 120 years plus an extra week to repent.

You can see the age of man reduce later on after the flood.

And as I said, if you look at the ages from the time of Noah moving forward, they decrease. It has nothing to do with repenting.

God didn't automatically make it so man lived 120 years. He cut the time that man was alive slowly. Again, you can see this in the ages going forward as they reduce in years.

In your two posts which I have quoted--with my emphasis added-- you state two very different things:

1) God reduced man's age so they lived to 120 Years.
2) God didn't reduce the age of man to 120 Years, but slowly reduced the number of years man lived.

Which is it?

It's both. They are not mutually exclusive. I meant both things as I never said that the years that man would live was suddenly reduced to 120. Scripture doesn't say that. I actually just read these scriptures yesterday and today as part of my Bible reading plan, so they are fresh in my mind.

So you still are contradicting yourself with these two different statements. They can't both be true nor can they both be false.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

No, but I thought that this would be considered fellowship.

Teaching and debate for non-Messianics here is against the SOP for this section of the forums.