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I am trying to find an official Adventist view on Predestination.

I can find a number of forum discussions where contributors say SDAs are against predestination, but I can't find anything official, or any Ellen White discussions on it.

Can anyone assist please?

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Since I have had no replies to this question, perhaps I can offer some clarification.

I am interested in finding official sources that give the church position on election and predestination, although I am also happy to also discuss the topic. Does anywhere here think there is an official church position on this issue?


I thought Adventists accepted the Semi-Pelagian view of predestination, but I am really looking for sources to confirm or deny this.

Thanks again for your help!
 
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I am trying to find an official Adventist view on Predestination.

I can find a number of forum discussions where contributors say SDAs are against predestination, but I can't find anything official, or any Ellen White discussions on it.

Can anyone assist please?

Thanks

Here are links to a couple of articles that I found on the Adventist Biblical Research Institute site:
http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/Biblequestions/predestination.htm
http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/Biblequestions/Elected.htm

See this link for more articles from the BRI on soteriological issues from an Adventist perspective:
http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents.htm#salvation
 
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Thanks for the links, I'll take a look at them.

Are you studying the Bible Study Guide on Christian Discipleship? Tuesday's lesson is quite interesting on this issue - the author says that anyone who responds to Jesus' call is still moved first by the will of God - it even says "salvation is all of grace".
 
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I have now read these articles and they are in favour of predestination as understood by Calvin and the other major Christian theologians, however it is strange there is so little Adventist discussion of it and the church has no official position on the subject.

Thanks again for your help.
 
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I have to say one thing I did find surprising in the discussion is that some Adventists take the view that everyone will be saved. The fact this is being discussed I assume means it isn't just one or two people who hold this view.
 
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I have now read these articles and they are in favour of predestination as understood by Calvin and the other major Christian theologians, however it is strange there is so little Adventist discussion of it and the church has no official position on the subject.

Thanks again for your help.
I highly doubt that they are similar to Calvin on predestination. There are two camps in Christianity on predestination they are the Calvinist and the Arminian views.

Arminianism

[SIZE=+2]Advanced Information[/SIZE] Arminianism is the theological stance of James Arminius and the movement which stemmed from him. It views Christian doctrine much as the pre - Augustinian fathers did and as did the later John Wesley. In several basic ways it differs from the Augustinian fathers did and as did the later John Wesley. In several basic ways it differs from the Augustine - Luther - Calvin tradition.


This form of Protestanism arose in the United Netherlands shortly after the "alteration" from Roman Catholicism had occurred in that country. It stresses Scripture alone as the highest authority for doctrines. And it teaches that justification is by grace alone, there being no meritoriousness in our faith that occasions justification, since it is only through prevenient grace that fallen humanity can exercise that faith.


Arminianism is a distinct kind of Protestant theology for several reasons. One of its distinctions is its teaching on predestination. It teaches predestination, since the Scripture writers do, but it understands that this predecision on God's part is to save the ones who repent and believe. Thus its view is called conditional predestination, since the predetermination of the destiny of individuals is based on God's foreknowledge of the way in which they will either freely reject Christ or freely accept him.


Arminius defended his view most precisely in his commentary on Romans 9, Examination of Perkins' Pamphlet, and Declaration of Sentiments. He argued against supralapsarianism, popularized by John Calvin's son - in - law and Arminius's teacher at Geneva, Theodore Beza, and vigorously defended at the University of Leiden by Francis Gomarus, a colleague of Arminius. Their view was that before the fall, indeed before man's creation, God had already determined what the eternal destiny of each person was to be. Arminius also believed that the sublapsarian unconditional predestination view of Augustine and Martin Luther is unscriptural.

This is the view that Adam's sin was freely chosen but that, after Adam's fall, the eternal destiny of each person was determined by the absolutely sovereign God. In his Declaration of Sentiments (1608) Arminius gave twenty arguments against supralapsarianism, which he said (not quite correctly) applied also to sublapsarianism. These included such arguments as that the view is void of good news; repugnant to God's wise, just, and good nature, and to man's free nature; "highly dishonorable to Jesus Christ"; "hurtful to the salvation of men"; and that it "inverts the order of the gospel of Jesus Christ" (which is that we are justified after we believe, not prior to our believing). He said the arguments all boil down to one, actually: that unconditional predestination makes God "the author of sin."


Connected with Arminius's view of conditional predestination are other significant teachings of "the quiet Dutchman." One is his emphasis on human freedom. Here he was not Pelagian, as some have thought. He believed profoundly in original sin, understanding that the will of natural fallen man is not only maimed and wounded, but that it is entirely unable, apart from prevenient grace, to do any good thing. Another teaching is that Christ's atonement is unlimited in its benefits. He understood that such texts as "he died for all" (2 Cor. 5:15; cf. 2 Cor. 5:14; Titus 2:11; 1 John 2:2) mean what they say, while Puritans such as John Owen and other Calvinists have understood that the "all" means only all of those previously elected to be saved. A third view is that while God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9; Matt. 18:14), saving grace is not irresistible, as in classical Calvinism. It can be rejected.

http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txc/arminian.htm

There are only a few Adventists that I have dealt with that believe in universal salvation. It would be a very small minority in Adventism.
 
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Hi HeavenOnEarthNow,

I notice that you have read this weeks Sabbath School Lesson in the Bible Study sub-forum. Did you also read the introduction thread for this entire quarter's topic of discipleship? If you didn't I think you will enjoy it.

You said in one of your post:
"Are you studying the Bible Study Guide on Christian Discipleship? Tuesday's lesson is quite interesting on this issue - the author says that anyone who responds to Jesus' call is still moved first by the will of God - it even says "salvation is all of grace."
You have noticed a very important point. It is only through the unction of the Holy Spirit that man takes the first step in accepting the grace offered through Jesus Christ. It is the unction of the Holy Spirit that first convicts man of his need for that grace. That is ofcourse part of the mistery of Godliness and the evidence of God's will that none should be lost. However God does not usurp our free will to accept or reject that grace which is offered.


You will also notice that in all of Scripture there are only two times in the Christian experience when God comes to man. That is when man is being convicted of his sinfulness, and when He comes to gather up the saved at His second coming. In all other responses it is man which must accept that grace and come to Jesus Christ for salvation.


Since I find myself rather pressed for time at the moment, I'll come back with futher explination. Feel free to ask anyother questions you may wish to ask.


Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc
 
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