Predatrology

[ValenII]

PREFACE:
I want you to clear your mind. Let us remove all your negative thoughts. Let us void any previous misunderstandings because I will try to be more open this time. Let us be friendly to one another and share our ideas more calmly. I will do a nice clean restart.
Consider this knowledge as my gift to you. I’ll share to you my own revelations about life. I must firmly conceal my identity. I am just here to tell you the truth about “God” as good as I can especially for those who don’t believe. Before I take my leave, I must straighten things up.
For now let us start on the basics of truth. The problem I have learned in the new version of English is the morphology to conjure variations of semantics. There are problems of ambiguities, redundancies, misunderstandings, etc. This is my personal understanding. Do not be alarmed of some of the terms I used (novelty) in an aspect of being unique and creative. I am actually a normal person change by the Spirit to become complicated in due time. Actually I can make things easier.
Those who know how to handle the Holy Spirit can cultivate and let it grow stronger in a period of time. We Christians are the temple of the Holy Spirit. I believe that a true Christian can ask the Holy Spirit to increase his level if he desires so. True Christians can become an expert of a certain field if he desires so. True Christians can maintain and strengthen their faith. However the true Christians today just wanted to be humble at all cost just saving their “favor” for Heaven’s sake.
You may rectify my terms as you wish but be sure to inform me about it. For people who want to create their own body of knowledge, I encourage them to start on basics of two truths and then elaborate them later on. You must create your own terms on real facts and define them clearly. You can start a one of a kind term yourself. It is really a fun thing to do on a computer since you can adjust the words and return later on to insert better ideas. These new ideas have an early start. Anyone can start on humble beginnings. Anyone can do what I do as long as he has faith and patience. Even morons can mettle among wise men if he has these qualities as long as he doesn’t react in a negative way. It takes time to become skilled and I am not there yet. I consider myself as an eltologian.
If you are confused in front of many people, become a hermit for a while like the monks are doing. Monks are really wise if they write down all their ideas carefully. Citizens can ask guidance from a priest or monk of how to handle his life better. It sounds paradoxical but true. Jesus himself went to hills and mountains to pray if he is stressed. Why don’t you follow Jesus’ examples?

SUBJECT01: FUNDAMENTALS OF KNOWLEDGE
(I need to support the information below with an article I made last year. I’ll make modifications about this one. Let us make this brief for a while.)
God’s right and wrong concept is based on God’s divine desire, divinity and other unknown reality. (Men are not entirely sure in these three concepts if he based things in the material aspect. The solution is to bring the concept of faith. Since words are material, one cannot be simply explained faith by words. There is a “different way” of explaining faith.)
Man’s right and wrong concept is based on man’s desire and instinct. (It can easily be written in a way man understands himself.)
A long time ago, when science was not formulated, man was able to interpret data for his own likings by the use of his knowledge. As he was able to develop terms from speech (phonology) to written expressions, each tribal unit (separated by independent locations in the world) developed variations of both spoken and written language. It clearly shows that each man can adapt and develop different languages based on his experience and knowledge. Therefore experience and knowledge cannot be taken for granted.
Let us define experience and knowledge:
Experience – all the things or events happened upon a being in reality of space-time that have passed and in the memory of that being
Knowledge – is the accumulation of information that we gained through knowing experience and knowing created information.
Information – supply or supplier that brings or supports the knowledge
Knowledge was based on understanding of things whether fact or fiction. Knowledge of facts is important in Science and Eltologo. Eltologo is my own personalized body of knowledge about God in a purpose to do the usefulness of good and employ that usefulness to create results in harmony with God and mankind. I consider myself as an eltologian. We cannot generally say that knowledge of truth is “awareness” because truth is already around you. It is just the passing of the effect that pass through our senses and the determination or interpretation of the mind.

PREDATROLOGY:
“Predatrology” is a branch of Eltologo that deals with the process of acquiring the truth.
A. Ancient Truths
I want to touch the conclusive truths about the ancient people based on the existing documents of their history. Most ancient people were lovers of nature when they first came into this earth. Ancient people who have a developed sense of written knowledge were lovers of the heavenly bodies. The ancient Egyptians, ancient Chinese, ancient Persians, etc. are examples of these people.
B. Uncertainties and Possibilities
We cannot derive truth from uncertainty. Uncertainty was based on infinite number of possibilities and only one of them is correct. This leads the uncertainty to all possible possibilities. 1/∞ is the truth in uncertainty. Based on this formula we arrive on variable (∞-1)/ ∞ are untruths or lies in uncertainty. Uncertainties have no definite equation because it is liable to change. This means we are searching for 1 truth (base on a single absolute theory) in an infinite number of possible theories (possibilities). We have evidences but each person in an independent field can discern numerous theories but we are looking for only one reality. That is what actually really happened (factual event). In the realities of space-time, only one absolute event in reality occurred. Scientists are trying to create this absolute event based on their principles and theories. However what really happened or are those principles and theories real? This procedure is an endless pursuit of reality. If man has discovered the factual event (e) as the 1/∞ theory, the rest of the (∞-1)/ ∞ theories are disregarded because (∞-1)/ ∞ theories are untruths. However we are still facing the changes of 1/∞ theory in accordance to reality.
In a real world let us compare possibilities in a lotto game scenario. A player bought 50 lotto tickets. Let say the ticket has a 7-digit and there is only one first price. The player aims to get the first price. The player marks the raffle date on his calendar and continued working on something else. We have the following conditions:
a.) The player doesn’t know how many tickets are there.
b.) The player doesn’t know how many contestants are there.
c.) The player knew a lot of lucky charms.
d.) The player doesn’t know who won the first price during the raffle date.
e.) The player doesn’t know where he left his tickets.
f.) The player is suffering Alzheimer’s disease
g.) (other debilitating conditions)
h.) I guess that’s reality?
How much is the chance or probability that the player will win the game with 50 tickets?
Even one condition from the above can drive the person towards infinity. How much more if there are more? We can safely answer that the person has 50/∞ (?) chance of winning. However this is not the exact event that happened so we are vulnerable at answering the question again and again. That sense of vulnerability is open by attacks of other theories that are closer to reality. Therefore we cannot derive a truth from uncertainty.
C. Historical Records
If two or more written knowledge from different sources agree, we can simply denote it as a fact. We have a factual event (e). Factual written knowledge (Fw) of an event (e) and unwritten facts (af) of an event (e) can be denoted as Fw + af = e.
Modern times have several obvious problems of the written knowledge from a different language during ancient times:
1. The languages, methodologies, and styles used by the original writers are unfamiliar to the language of the modern day translators.
2. The written knowledge was set and preserved for a long period of time that the doubts of the recent reader is high based on the length of time.
3. Cultural influences and understandings of the readers are different from one another.
In the bad side, this means that Fw is harder to achieve perfect understanding. In the good side, at least we have a point in reality.
Written knowledge is a good measuring tool because a measuring tool created from scratch is an entirely different approach from the original. If we place the written knowledge in a plot, we need only to fill in the blanks. Our efforts will be a lot easier than creating a new created knowledge and making the blanks to fill in for ourselves.

SECRETS ABOUT LIFE:
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WAHLSI:
Let us define the following:
Experience – all the things or events happened upon a being in reality of space-time that have passed and in the memory of that being
Knowledge – is the accumulation of information that we gained through knowing experience and knowing created information.
Information – supply or supplier that brings or supports the knowledge
Truth – a fact or reality
Ahsi – an encounter of an event that reveals a truth that is perceived
Wahlsi – an encounter of an event that reveals an eccentric truth that is perceived
Ohee -- Low to complete process
2 types of wahlsi: (1) ordinary wahlsi – can be perceived by man’s natural perceptions (2) exceptional wahlsi – cannot be perceived by man’s natural perceptions.
Basic Perceptions:
(1) Sight – a natural perception normally received due to the result of light waves towards the eye of the observer. The degree of clarity is measured by eye-sight distance (measurement is tabulated on a perspective reality) and amount of opposiums (transparent objects, matters or particles that blocks the eyes (organ of receiving light) has the ability to bend, twist, distort, etc. the normal direct patterns of light. It is received by the eyes and the brain in ultra-speed connections (very fast connections and receiving data in a blink of an eye).
(2) Hearing – a natural perception normally received due to sounds and friction of vibrating atoms or atomic particle towards the ear of the observer.
(3) Taste – a natural perception normally received due to the effect of substances towards the taste buds of the tongue. If man only knows that there is a substance that can trigger different kind of taste when applied on a tongue.
(4) Smell – a natural perception normally received due to the reception of the olfactory nerve situated inside the nose.
(5) Feel – a natural perception normally received due to the contact of atoms towards the nerve sensors of the skin
(6) Add-on detectors or instruments – intelligently-made or man-made devices that can perceive an exceptional wahlsi
(7) Extra-sensory perceptions – other modes of natural perceptions not stated on the usual 5 senses
If a wahlsi appeared upon man on space-time as an event, the man is indulged upon an eccentric manifestation:
(1) Wonder or amazement – reaction of an uninformed or inexperienced person to a wahlsi in a period of time.
a. Normally found among inexperienced person or first-timers.
(2) Fear – reaction from a person who has recognition of a wahlsi in ohee and knew it has a negative effect to himself (bad reaction).
a. Normally found among an experienced paranoid person
(3) Eagerness or curiosity – reaction from a person who has recognition of a wahlsi in ohee and knew it has a positive effect to himself (good reaction).
a. Normally found among fanatics who saw something of delight.
If a wonder or amazement ends up in an ohee it will either transpire into fear or curiosity based on the knowledge of the man.

 

[ValenII]

Subject03: Judgment of Information
How do we know that a person is telling the truth?
It takes periods of time to distinguish information into either a lie or a truth.
A. Solomon’s Judgment
In the book of the “Brief History of the Kings of Israel” (based on two books) or 1 Kings and 2 Kings, we can read passages about Solomon as heir apparent to David’s Kingdom. Solomon is known for his wisdom and as a great judge. One instance is how he handles the case between two women who claims ownership of a baby. He recognized the real mother by putting them to the test.
Solomon has an extra-sense to be able to “feel” and know the soul of an individual. That’s why he is always right in his decisions in court. However Solomon use knowledge for his own advantage and forgotten to raise his children properly.
B. Ishuh (Real Reactions) and Asiz (Acting)
What is the difference between the reactions of huhah01 (a widow whose abode is taken and has no where to go) and the reactions of izah01 (an actress who pretends she is a widow whose abode is taken and has no where to go)?
There is a huge difference between the two. Let me present it to you:
Huhah01
1. She uses huge or great amount of energy for the ishuh.
2. Her body exhibits a total change from the stable state to an ishuh
3. Always remembers the experience that triggers ishuh.
4. Weaknesses and physical deterioration is normally observed of her.
5. Using add-on detectors, an observer notice a greater change compared to a izah01
Izah01
1. She uses less amount of energy for the asiz.
2. Her body normally exhibits a partial change from the stable state to an asiz.
3. Thinks about a created scenario or experience of a different category that triggers asiz.
4. It is very hard for her to imitate huhah01’s ishuh.
5. Using add-on detectors, an observer notice a lesser change compared to a huhah01.
C. Bombardment of Emotions
It requires an interrogation team of at least two interrogators rendering the same intention to the subject. Here we will use two subjects: huhah01 and izah01. The interrogation team may use Asiz or Ishuh in presenting their questions.
Basic Interrogation using Bombardment of Emotions:
1. Attempts of the interrogator to display the negative reaction of the subject. Examples:
“You are so irresponsible! Dumb and stupid! Look at yourself! Who will help you?” (Ishuh)
“You are garbage! A weakling! The scorn of society! Everybody! Look at this idiot and laugh at her!” (Asiz)
2. Attempts of the interrogator to display the positive reaction of the subject. Examples:
“However… to be honest with you… I help you out if you promise to tell me what happened to the money. Tell me the truth or just go spending your life in jail. Choose one.” (Ishuh)
“Let us not hurry to your doom yet… I’ll help you in one condition (whispering to the subject) See this check? Just tell me the truth and I will also give you a happy bonus and I will take care of your case. (whispering to the subject) Is that hard for you? You don’t want to be bothered no more right?” (Asiz)
3. The interrogator provides time for the subject and observes what the subject is doing.
“Alright, I’ll give you time to decide. Choose the good life or the bad life. I’ll return for your answer. It’s all up to you.” (Ishuh)
“You chill for a while! Be sure you give me an answer when I return. Be warned! This is no joke.” (Asiz)
At each step the interrogator must record the questions asked and the response of the subject. This strategy is useful to compare two subjects. This approach could change the outlook of the lives of people who experienced this approach (trauma) just like the fear-like wahlsi manifestation. It greatly introduce trauma if all questions were asiz-like. It is better to use the ishuh questions with concern than the asiz questions.
D. Daniel’s Approach
Considered as a well-known prophet. A case was presented to him. A woman named Susanna was about to be stoned to death. Two judges or leaders of the community of Israelites under foreign rule charged her of adultery. The only last known event was Susanna screamed when the two judges peeked at her when she was bathing. The two judges plotted to have her put to death in a crime she did not commit. Daniel intervened to interrogate the case himself. He questioned each suspect separately using a bombardment of emotions with “one interrogator and witnesses". Each suspect claimed a different testimony.

Subject04: Enum (Accepting or Denying Information)
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P.S. Please wait for more revisions of this article. I dedicate this article in the true name of God.

 

[ValenII]

SUBJECT02: PERSONAL FACTS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND SCIENCE
Here are some facts based on practicality:
Fact01: True faith on Christianity can result to happiness and contentment among believers. Studying Science can result to theoretical ideas and “practical truths”. Technology is the application of scientific “practical truths”.
Fact02: Christianity has several mysticisms which were unfathomable by science.
Fact03: Science has a push of denying faith. Christianity has motifs of accepting “created” knowledge in a new definition.

EXPERIMENT01: WHEN AND HOW DID LIES FIRST OCCURRED?
Environment: man-made ecosystem
1 male (xy1) and 1 female (xx1) human specimen
experimenter-controlled environment
Conditions:
1. Scientists must collect data in a scrupulous and comprehensive way.
2. The ecosystem must be in homeostasis.
3. Skeptics must observe and collect their own personal data.
In my own conscience, I don’t want this to happen. However for the sake of answering peoples’ questions and who are not contented with simplicity, take your risks. The first man and the first woman were surely not liars because they are frank, open, and innocent of their experience and knowledge.
Let the scientists conduct an experimental man-made community. Let them create an unstained community with a starting male child (xy1) and starting female child (xx1) without direct contact to the experimenter and the outside world. Let scientists study how they will progress in time. Scientists will determine and record the systematic maintenance of their needs without educating or teaching xy1 and xx1. Here we will validate at what generation they will start lying upon one another, lying in their written language, create hoaxes, etc. For my concern, Earth has no decent space for such community but on the moon with an earth-like environment could be suitable. However the experimenter must record the details and effects of man on the moon. After the completion of the experiment, the scientists must present their data to the public and skeptics should begin to question the experiment in a specific to the general.
Well as for me, I or any monk knew the outcome of this ingenuous experiment. We could state that lies first occurred during the first competition. First competition appeared after the first pair of humans has two or more offsprings who developed the perceived knowledge. These two or more offsprings were competing males.

 

[Taffsadar]

Can someone please post a resume? It sounds rather intresting but I decided that it wasn't worth reading when the writer first asks us to remove all negative feelings and presumations and then starts claiming christianity to be the truth.

 

[lucaspa]

True Christians can become an expert of a certain field if he desires so.

Well, DUH! Anyone can do that, but it does require study. Or are you saying that a "true Christian" can simply become an expert without any effort on his part?

SUBJECT01: FUNDAMENTALS OF KNOWLEDGE
(I need to support the information below with an article I made last year. I’ll make modifications about this one. Let us make this brief for a while.)
God’s right and wrong concept is based on God’s divine desire, divinity and other unknown reality. ...Man’s right and wrong concept is based on man’s desire and instinct.

1. You can not support your own argument with an article by YOU. You must support your arguments with an independent source.

2. Is something right because God commands it or does God command it because it is right? Answer that question first before you make any attempts to decide "God's right and wrong concept".

Let us define experience and knowledge:
Experience – all the things or events happened upon a being in reality of space-time that have passed and in the memory of that being
Knowledge – is the accumulation of information that we gained through knowing experience and knowing created information.

Can we argue definitions? We must, since you are making your conclusions based on definitions and, if the definitions are flawed, then the conclusions are flawed.

Experience is OK. However, what you have neglected are two types of experience.
1. Experience that is only for you and perhaps some others.
2. Experience that is the same for EVERYONE under approximately the same circumstances.

The first is personal experience, the second is intersubjective experience.

So, the definition of knowledge is intersubjective experience.

Information – supply or supplier that brings or supports the knowledge
Knowledge was based on understanding of things whether fact or fiction. Knowledge of facts is important in Science and Eltologo. Eltologo is my own personalized body of knowledge about God in a purpose to do the usefulness of good and employ that usefulness to create results in harmony with God and mankind.

You didn't define "fact". If you have "knowledge of facts" then you have to define "fact". If Science or Etologo is both based on knowledge then both are based on facts.

Now, you made an important point about Etologo. It is your PERSONALIZED knowledge about God.

Science does not deal with personal knowledge. That's a conscious decision on the part of people who formulated science. Science ONLY deals with INTERSUBJECTIVE knowledge. So, since Eltologo is personalized, it can not be discussed by science UNLESS you make statement from Eltologo that involved intersubjective knowlege. Then Eltologo attempts to intrude on Science.

PREDATROLOGY:
“Predatrology” is a branch of Eltologo that deals with the process of acquiring the truth.
A. Ancient Truths
I want to touch the conclusive truths about the ancient people based on the existing documents of their history. Most ancient people were lovers of nature when they first came into this earth. Ancient people who have a developed sense of written knowledge were lovers of the heavenly bodies. The ancient Egyptians, ancient Chinese, ancient Persians, etc. are examples of these people.
B. Uncertainties and Possibilities
We cannot derive truth from uncertainty. Uncertainty was based on infinite number of possibilities and only one of them is correct. This leads the uncertainty to all possible possibilities.

Since history is personal experience it is not, by its very nature, going to be knowledge and won't satisfy the criteria for truth.

1/∞ is the truth in uncertainty. Based on this formula we arrive on variable (∞-1)/ ∞ are untruths or lies in uncertainty. Uncertainties have no definite equation because it is liable to change. This means we are searching for 1 truth (base on a single absolute theory) in an infinite number of possible theories (possibilities). We have evidences but each person in an independent field can discern numerous theories but we are looking for only one reality. That is what actually really happened (factual event). In the realities of space-time, only one absolute event in reality occurred. Scientists are trying to create this absolute event based on their principles and theories. However what really happened or are those principles and theories real? This procedure is an endless pursuit of reality. If man has discovered the factual event (e) as the 1/∞ theory, the rest of the (∞-1)/ ∞ theories are disregarded because (∞-1)/ ∞ theories are untruths. However we are still facing the changes of 1/∞ theory in accordance to reality.

Congratulations! You just stated one reason that the POSITIVE statements in science are tentative. Since there are an infinite number of theories, we can never be absolutely sure that there is not some better theory out there.

However, when you said "This procedure is an endless pursuit of reality" what you are referring to is FALSIFICATION. We pursue truth by falsifying all theories but one. The one left standing is viewed as (provisionally) true. Note the "provisonally". That is there because, as you have said, there are an infinite number of theories. We falsify all theories WE CAN THINK OF but there is always the remote possibility there is a theory out there we haven't thought of. However, once a theory is proved false, THAT we know for certain. It is a truth that the earth is NOT flat. It is a truth that all species were NOT specially created.

 

[DaisyDay]

In a real world let us compare possibilities in a lotto game scenario. A player bought 50 lotto tickets. Let say the ticket has a 7-digit and there is only one first price. The player aims to get the first price. The player marks the raffle date on his calendar and continued working on something else. We have the following conditions:
a.) The player doesn’t know how many tickets are there.
b.) The player doesn’t know how many contestants are there.
c.) The player knew a lot of lucky charms.
d.) The player doesn’t know who won the first price during the raffle date.
e.) The player doesn’t know where he left his tickets.
f.) The player is suffering Alzheimer’s disease
g.) (other debilitating conditions)
h.) I guess that’s reality?
How much is the chance or probability that the player will win the game with 50 tickets?
Even one condition from the above can drive the person towards infinity. How much more if there are more? We can safely answer that the person has 50/∞ (?) chance of winning. However this is not the exact event that happened so we are vulnerable at answering the question again and again. That sense of vulnerability is open by attacks of other theories that are closer to reality. Therefore we cannot derive a truth from uncertainty.

In a lotto games around here, only one number wins and there may not be a winner among all the tickets sold. In the scenario, it was not specified that the person must be the sole winner, so the number of tickets sold is not an issue. In fact, none of the conditions a-g affect the probability of winning the lottery. If I understand the scenario, each ticket has 7 single-digit numbers with each digit having the possiblity of being 0-9. The odds are fixed by the permutations of 10 digits into 7 groups and that he has 50 different groups. Unfortunately, I no longer remember how to calculate odds, so I can't give the exact number.

A raffle would be different in that if the winning number doesn't come up the first try, another number is tried until there is a winner. The tickets are numbered successively rather than randomly, so unless every ticket is sold, the odds of winning are increased dramatically, so if only 50 tickets were sold, his odds would be 1:1. Finally, in some raffles, the ticket-holder must be present, so if this were the case, your person loses.

Come to think of it, in algebra unknowns (aka variables) are used all the time.

I've been reading Stephen Hawking's "The Theory of Everything" which discusses various physiscs theories and the grand unifying theory of the universe. He mentions that the uncertainity principle is a key part of quantum mechanics. Apparently, there are working mathematical equations which always take uncertaintly into account as part of the equation. It's mostly over my head, but Hawkings thinks that uncertainty does not mean that the truth cannot be known.

He concludes the series of lectures by saying that if & when the grand unifying theory of the universe is figured out, we will know the mind of God; we will know "how", then we can return to the question of "why".

 

[ValenII]

all your conclusions end up to what I already stated before

 

[lucaspa]

SUBJECT02: PERSONAL FACTS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND SCIENCE
Here are some facts based on practicality:
Fact01: True faith on Christianity can result to happiness and contentment among believers.

That's not a fact, but a deduction. And it is wrong. Many true Christians are not happy and, from what I have heard about trying to follow God's little voice, it's certainly not contentment.

Studying Science can result to theoretical ideas and “practical truths”. Technology is the application of scientific “practical truths”.

That's not a fact either. It's your opinion of what science is.

Fact03: Science has a push of denying faith. Christianity has motifs of accepting “created” knowledge in a new definition.

Again, a conclusion, not a fact. Please support your first sentence with real historical facts -- documentation.

EXPERIMENT01: WHEN AND HOW DID LIES FIRST OCCURRED?
Environment: man-made ecosystem
1 male (xy1) and 1 female (xx1) human specimen
experimenter-controlled environment
The first man and the first woman were surely not liars because they are frank, open, and innocent of their experience and knowledge.

Unknown. Since you don't have the first man and woman around, you don't know what they were. Also, isn't an ASSUMPTION here that the first man and woman were created? Otherwise, you can't draw a hard-and-fast line in science about when you have the first humans.

Let the scientists conduct an experimental man-made community. Let them create an unstained community with a starting male child (xy1) and starting female child (xx1) without direct contact to the experimenter and the outside world.

Can't do that. Unless human babies have contact with their outside world -- at least a mother to nurse -- they die. So your subjects are contaminated because you can't get them at birth. So your experimental design is flawed from the beginning and can't test your hypothesis.

Scientists will determine and record the systematic maintenance of their needs without educating or teaching xy1 and xx1. Here we will validate at what generation they will start lying upon one another, lying in their written language, create hoaxes, etc.

Can't do this, either. When you say "generation" you mean when the children either have to mate with siblings or with parents. Because of the detrimental genetic defects possible, ethically we can't conduct the experiment.

Well as for me, I or any monk knew the outcome of this ingenuous experiment.

Then you just disqualified yourself as conducting an objective experiment if you know the results before you go in.

First competition appeared after the first pair of humans has two or more offsprings who developed the perceived knowledge. These two or more offsprings were competing males.

Competition can only be with males? You mean the first xx and xy would not lie to each other in their own emotional or otherwise competition? You seriously think the xx would not like about a headache when the xy wanted sex but the xx didn't?

 

[lucaspa]

all your conclusions end up to what I already stated before

Who are you addressing. That doesn't apply to my post, but I don't think it applies to aisy_Day either.

 

[Taffsadar]

all your conclusions end up to what I already stated before

No all their conclusion end up to what I already believe, your deluded.

 

[ValenII]

You are trying to be stubborn. You seem unwilling to accept corrections. Use your logic for a while and read all my passages again.
I ask you in a friendly way.

 

[Orihalcon]

i think i've seen a new breed of incoherence...