Precisely WHAT Kind Of A World Is It That Christians Are 'Striving" For?

[Washington]

To be honest, I would be content if people just stopped stealing and murdering. Imagine that!

But that would be going against god's desire and his will that these be part of his sining list. Investing humans with sin he pretty much made sure these acts would necessarily occur. So as content as YOU might be to see the two disappear it would obviously not please god to see mankind triumph over his efforts to make stealing and killing dominant sins; although, I suppose if you replaced them with something else, or maybe elevated other sins to the level of stealing and killing, it may satisfy him.

 

[Zaac]

Agreed. So, why is this not occurring?

Because, like YOU, the majority of the people in the world don't think it matters what folks adhere to.

How are you gonna talk out both sides of your neck and say you agree that the world would be a better place if people were trying to make the type of world Jesus wants, yet in post after post including this one, example that you don't know what Jesus wants?

You display a contempt for the way of Christ because you think you've come up with something better. All you're doing is cryptically trying to advance the same false teaching that the rest of the relative humanists are.

 

[KCKID]

Because, like YOU, the majority of the people in the world don't think it matters what folks adhere to.

How are you gonna talk out both sides of your neck and say you agree that the world would be a better place if people were trying to make the type of world Jesus wants, yet in post after post including this one, example that you don't know what Jesus wants?

You display a contempt for the way of Christ because you think you've come up with something better. All you're doing is cryptically trying to advance the same false teaching that the rest of the relative humanists are.

Um ...was it something that I said, Zaac . . .?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

To be honest, I would be content if people just stopped stealing and murdering. Imagine that!

I agree.

Altering the definition of marriage and abortion for convenience are clearly things to hope would stop.

One can only imagine anymore.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I agree.

Altering the definition of marriage and abortion for convenience are clearly things to hope would stop.

One can only imagine anymore.

I have a question for you:

What if it was not about "altering the definition of marriage" at all? What if the only thing homosexuals asked for was the right to, say, visit each other in the hospital and stuff like that? We can even leave children out of the equation altogether, if you prefer it that way. Would you still feel that it was an outrageous "attack on marriage"?

(You know, that's pretty much how things are handled in Germany these days: same-sex couples can register their "domestic partnerships", and thus be legally recognized as a union rather than completely unrelated people. The churches are in no way obliged or even encouraged to recognize these couples, let alone perform ceremonies for them, and most clearly don't. So - where's the beef?)

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I agree.

Altering the definition of marriage and abortion for convenience are clearly things to hope would stop.

One can only imagine anymore.

The definition of marriage has always been fluid so you have no basis to keep using only your personal preference of it.

 

[JTKIRK]

As the title suggests.

I personally see the world as being so diverse that, to me, it still remains a place of interest in which to live. I don't much involve myself in who is 'straight' or who is 'gay', who is married or who is unmarried, who has children and who doesn't have children, who is this Christian denomination or who is that Christian denomination or who is no Christian denomination at all, who is fat or who is thin or who is 'normally' built, who dis/likes this kind of food or that kind of food, who believes in a God/Allah,Buddha or who doesn't believe in a God/Allah, Buddha, etc. etc.

We don't live in a world of programmed robots. And this, surely, is the way that a Creator would have intended it to be. Yet, many Christians DO seem to prefer the 'robot' principle. They would have it that EVERYONE in the world adhere to the unswayable principles that THEY have created within their own minds as per the oftentimes misinterpreted/mistaught words of the Bible. To many of them they see the world in black and white (the words from the Bible) and make few allowances, if any, for any shades of gray. Unfortunately it's oftentimes a glaring case of do as I say but not necessarily do as I do. This results in confusion and even anger and frustration for many because the Christian is generally cryptic about the kind of world that is supposedly 'the Christian ideal'. They hear words that are too often meaningless coming out of the mouths of professed Christians. These type Christians - and there are MANY of them - are basically saying that, unless one believes as they do (whatever THAT might entail), that unless one is basically a carbon-copy of themselves, then one is responsible for pretty well messing up this planet.

Please don't be so cryptic. What kind of a world IS the ideal for the supposed Bible-adhering Christian? I'm asking because I have no idea.

Well KC not one of your usual questions, but a very challenging one. I ask but why just a "Christian World that is being strived for"?
I know that if you were to look at other religions or look at the atheism creed or whatever they want to call it.

The majority of people World wide want no killing, theft, even death. I am sure most people want happiness, peace, contentment. Not just Christians. .

 

[KCKID]

Well KC not one of your usual questions, but a very challenging one. I ask but why just a "Christian World that is being strived for"?
I know that if you were to look at other religions or look at the atheism creed or whatever they want to call it.

The majority of people World wide want no killing, theft, even death. I am sure most people want happiness, peace, contentment. Not just Christians. .

That kind of answer isn't what I'm really after. It seems that the task of a Christian is to convert the world to that particular belief. I want to know what that means precisely. How will the world be a better place simply because everyone converted to Christianity?

Any deep and meaningful responses?

 

[Libre]

God so loved the world that He sent His Son that whosoever believed on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The key here is the word "whosoever". Nowhere are we told that everyone will believe. It's always a called out few who are God's people.

It's true that in the end every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord. But we don't really know if that means salvation for everyone, or just that all will bow. Or if that is the same thing in the end.

The task of the Christian is to present Jesus. We don't convert. The Holy Spirit does. We bring the word of faith, and those who believe will be saved. They will then be led by the Holy Spirit to follow the commands of Jesus. Which are two: Love God with you whole being, and love you neighbor as yourself.

We are then to make disciples, which means teach them. Salvation is knowing you have eternal life, and the righteousness God demands imputed to you by your faith in the person of Jesus. If you don't know Jesus, then you don't have that assurance. You will have to hope you will be judged righteous.

We make it too complicated. It's really very simple.

 

[soul_biscuit]

It's true that in the end every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord.

Hopefully by then my knees will be arthritic, and my tongue will no longer work.

In any case, it seems rather unlikely. There are too many of us atheists about. Besides which, too many of our Christian and Deist ancestors strove to forge nations where no knee was required to bow, and no lords could compel worship from their terrified subjects.

 

[SiderealExalt]

It's true that in the end every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord

Borg-ian?

A very good question, and I am interested in how many different types of answers we receive. I know I've bemused over what the world would have been like had the Jewish/Christian/Islamic religions never existed, but it's just all hypothetical.

 

[Nazzul]

I see some christians striving for a better world through their religion...I see other christians trying to force their ideas on to others truly thinking that their view is correct and all others should conform to it.