pre-terism

[sozotruthsaltlight]

what is pre-terism?

 

[Markea]

Preterism in a nutshell basically suggests that ALL bible prophecy has been fulfilled.. even the second coming of Christ etc.. pretty wacked..

Some call themselves partial preterists and therefore believe that there are a few things left to take place.. such as His coming and judgment..

Full preterists believe that everything has already happened and we're now living in the eternal state..

again.. it's a pretty wacked point of view.. although there's basically no limit to the deception which can take place these days.. and it'll get worse..

 

[AnthonyE1778]

what is pre-terism?

Preterism is the belief that 100% of prophecy has already been fulfilled and that all is in the past. Kinda wacky if you ask me...

 

[Jerrysch]

Preterism in a nutshell basically suggests that ALL bible prophecy has been fulfilled.. even the second coming of Christ etc.. pretty wacked..

Some call themselves partial preterists and therefore believe that there are a few things left to take place.. such as His coming and judgment..

Full preterists believe that everything has already happened and we're now living in the eternal state..

again.. it's a pretty wacked point of view.. although there's basically no limit to the deception which can take place these days.. and it'll get worse..

So why would anyone believe this? Does anybody here subscribe to this point of faith?

 

[Markea]

So why would anyone believe this? Does anybody here subscribe to this point of faith?

Good question.. I'm not sure how many are here, and I don't believe that they're allowed to post in the Christian section because of their beliefs..

I'd guestimate that there are quite a few who would consider themselves partial preterists.. although even they're pretty 'far out' there imo.. most partial preterists are amillennial and that's fairly easily refuted from the scriptures as far as I'm concerned..

 

[eph3Nine]

Preterism is not allowed in the Christian section...they should change the rules and not allow the OTHER Gospel , other Jesus stuff either. Wink

 

[eph3Nine]

So why would anyone believe this? Does anybody here subscribe to this point of faith?

Why would anyone believe that we are still under the program preached by the earthly Christ and Peter and the boys? Ignorance...and then when someone cares enuff to show them their error...the snarly brigade comes out in full force to POO POO Gods Word rightly divided. Go figure. Human nature doesnt like being told its WRONG..pride takes over and there you have it.

 

[Markea]

preterism is much like those who make a lot of claims but then can not back them up with scripture.. lol

 

[Markea]

Why would anyone believe that we are still under the program preached by the earthly Christ and Peter and the boys?

For example.. I had asked eph what program that I was in after she had started about 10 threads on programs..

She couldn't tell me.. all those threads about programs and she couldn't tell me what program I was in..

At least preterism isn't this bad.. lol

 

[eph3Nine]

The purpose of the threads on what program anyone is in was to get people to THINK for themselves and look at the EVIDENCE provided by scripture...then to determine "according to what the scriptures say", what program any given individual is operating under. I think its obvious to all, which program each and every one of us THINKS hes in.

 

[tommiegrant]

Partial perterism or as I call it historical preterism see the of the prophesies in Rev. 4-19 as fullfilled in the past. This position as nothing to do with ones millinal view. Before commenting on things please check facts so that you know to what you speak.

 

[Markea]

Partial perterism or as I call it historical preterism see the of the prophesies in Rev. 4-19 as fullfilled in the past. This position as nothing to do with ones millinal view. Before commenting on things please check facts so that you know to what you speak.

Revelation 19 is contextually tied to Revelation 20.. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts as to why you believe that Revelation 19 is fulfilled in the past.. and WHEN it was fulfilled in the past.

ALSO.. what are your thoughts as to the declared division of the book itself as it pertains to John being told to write the things which he had seen, of things which are, and of things which shall be hereafter..? (Rev 1:19)

If you say that 4-19 are past.. then why do you make that division contrary to how it already divides itself..?

 

[eph3Nine]

Preterism isnt to be discussed at ALL in the christian forums. Ya might want to check the rules.

 

[Ebb]

Preterism isnt to be discussed at ALL in the christian forums. Ya might want to check the rules.

Only Full Preterism (or Hyper Preterism) is not allowed. Partial Preterists are welcome, according to the board owner. Full Preterists are allowed to post and discuss Full Preterism in another section of the board, and their exclusion from this section of the board is not a comment on their personal salvation.

Rule No. 6 - "Christians Only" Forums
6.1 Some forums on this website are provided for Christian discussion only as indicated in the category title. To have "Christians Only" forums we need to define who can post there. We need a set of criteria that clearly defines who a Christian is for the purposes of posting in the "Christians Only" forums. This is not for any other reason. We are not speculating as to a person's salvation, faith or beliefs. This rule is not intended to label a member "non-Christian"......
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6.6 You MAY post in the "Christians Only" forums and MAY use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you consider yourself a "Christian" and DO adhere to the contents of the Nicene Creed AND believe in the following controversial doctrines BUT the specific discussion of these doctrines must be posted in the Open forums (for example, Unorthodox Theological Doctrines) and not in the Christian Only forums:
a. Full Preterism.
b. Open Theism.
c. Universalism or Universal Salvation.
d. Annihilationism.
e. Freemasonry.

 

[Ebb]

The full preterist view of the Second Coming and the resurrection, which spiritualises them, also goes against the major creeds of the church. Now the full preterists would say that the creeds do not have the same weight as scripture, which is true, but the creeds were formed by godly men to protect the church against heresy and we would go against these with some trepidation.

The Westminster Confession Of Faith (1646)

CHAPTER VIII. Of Christ the Mediator.

IV. This office the Lord Jesus did most willingly undertake; which that He might discharge, He was made under the law, and did perfectly fulfil it; endured most grievous torments immediately in His soul, and most painful sufferings in His body; was crucified, and died, was buried, and remained under the power of death, yet saw no corruption. On the third day He arose from the dead, with the same body in which He suffered, with which also he ascended into heaven, and there sits at the right hand of His Father, making intercession, and shall return, to judge men and angels, at the end of the world.

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Chapter Xxxii. Of The State Of Man After Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead.

II. At the last day, such as are found alive shall not die, but be changed: and all the dead shall be raised up, with the selfsame bodies, and none other (although with different qualities), which shall be united again to their souls forever.

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THE NICENE CREED Constantinople, 381 A.D.

and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and he shall come again, with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

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I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.​

THE APOSTLE'S CREED From the Book of Common Prayer

I believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

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I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.

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The crucial failure of full preterism is that it fails to understand that Christ's Second Coming will be bodily. Full preterism also fails to understand the resurrection to be a bodily resurrection. Instead they propose a spiritual Second Coming and resurrection of the body."

Full preterism re-introduces the Hymenaeus error (see 2 Tim 2:17-18) that the resurrection has already taken place. This is being taught now in the form of full or hyper-preterism, that teaches that the Second Coming and the resurrection occurred in AD 70. The partial preterist view says that Christ came in judgement against Jerusalem in the Jewish war of AD 67-70, but he did not come bodily which is what the Second Coming is about (Acts 1:11).

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....continued at http://www.apocalipsis.org/preterism.htm