Pre-Existence Memories

[cherokeehippie]

"I saw new lives of little babies singing and flying around
God's throne. It seemed to me that babies just came
out of the breath of God. they looked like they were
wearing nightgowns. They flew into the presence of Jehovah.


I realised they were new souls who came from the
thoughts of God. God thinks kids. Now I know why those
newborn babies are so precious. Babies are gifts given
to us directly from the Throne of God.


I heard them saying to God, "Can I be a spirit? Would
you send me to the earth so I can be a spirit? I want to
be a redeemed person. Can I be a spirit?" And while I
watched, I heard that mighty sound of God's power
"Whooosh! I saw these babies leave the Throne by the
power of God."

I remembered all of this!! I remember us in little gowns, everything. SOme of it is too sacred for me to talk about, but there is something else odd I remember. I remember two people observing us and then suddenly knowing that they were somewhat intruding on a very sacred thing, decided to leave and one of them said "Let's go see Jesus" and the other agreed.

I was hesitant to share this, because I felt that some would "throw the baby out with the bathwater" consider all accounts(including mine) as being deception. There are those christians who won't accept the supernatural--dreams, visions, preconceived memories etc as of God but consider it all evil and I didn't want them to think I was a spiritual retard, etc. Also, I didn't want to be casting pearls(my memory of when Abba created me) before swine(those who wouldn't understand and think I was new agey, etc) and also the fac that there are demonic(satan imitates whatever is of God and steals what belongs to Him--plus using fallen angels familiar spirits in false memories, etc) counterfeits.

 

[Kol]

I wish others wouldn't take their battles into my thread.

Kol, why (here and elsewhere) do you say to people that their experiences are evil but yours is ok?

I don't know.

If you've ever heard of the stories where people "die" and are taken to "heaven", you'll know that they often meet "God." I don't believe this is God. If you study the Bible and compare it to what these people have experienced, the two do not line up. Furthermore, in these experiences, reincarnation is taught as a way to 'better our souls.' No, only Jesus can make us perfect, and no act of our own. This is what I believe.

Somehow, I seem to be connecting this type of experience and other people's pre-existence memories. When I remember these things, I was always hiding. I remember going through heaven, fighting. Most people, I think, had no idea there was a war. I think that everyone in heaven is deceived. That's why I think that other people's experiences are evil. Because they don't remember that there is a bad guy.

But where does God/Jesus get the glory in this?

In my own life and mind, He gets the glory in the fact that I better understand what it is He has saved. As far as the great end result of all these things...I don't know. I just remember. There is no happiness to the story, until it gets to the part where I accepted Christ. It's just a sad story about the way things used to be.

Maybe my life didn't have a purpose. Is that what you're suggesting? I think it once did. It does now, but not then.

I think I'm just somebody from something that nobody remembers. And you're right, there is no reason to it.

If you don't want to listen, then don't. These things don't hardly matter to me anymore-I have enough going on right now and my new life is in Christ. But I didn't set out to:

1. Give God glory.
2. Sin.
3. Fall and ruin my life.
4. Be born.

As for why He has revealed this to me, I don't know. I don't remember.

"But I will spare some, for some of you will escape the sword when you are scattered among the lands and nations. Then in the nations where they have been carried captive, those who escape will remember me—how I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their idols. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and for all their detestable practices. And they will know that I am the LORD; I did not threaten in vain to bring this calamity on them." -Ezekiel 8, v6-10

This is all that I can suggest. We have been carried captive to this earth. I *did* hate myself for what I had done, not just here, but *there* as well. And I hate the fact that we all ruined what was so perfect. Nothing that now stands can compare to that which once was. Nothing.

 

[Gregged]

I wish others wouldn't take their battles into my thread.

Erm... sorry Kol... you find it happens on forums y'know!

If you've ever heard of the stories where people "die" and are taken to "heaven", you'll know that they often meet "God." I don't believe this is God. If you study the Bible and compare it to what these people have experienced, the two do not line up. Furthermore, in these experiences, reincarnation is taught as a way to 'better our souls.' No, only Jesus can make us perfect, and no act of our own. This is what I believe.

Well, again how can you say that someone else's experience isn't as valid as yours... especially when yours is much more outside the teaching of the Bible than others. For example, Ian McCormack (http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/). He "died" (in our understanding of death) went to Heaven, came back and it changed the course of his life. And he uses his testimony all over the world to bring people to God. So he didn't really meet God?

Q. Do you think you are a specially chosen human, or more correctly in your context "being"? It seems to me like you think you are way above everyone else?

In my own life and mind, He gets the glory in the fact that I better understand what it is He has saved.

Yes. He saved you, as an ordinary lost human being. But if in your life it gives Him more glory, then that's good for you.

Maybe my life didn't have a purpose. Is that what you're suggesting? I think it once did. It does now, but not then.

Kol... I'm talking about this life. Because that is what you have to live out the duration of. Not so called past lives you've lived. Surely you really are talking about reincarnation because you've lived a whole life before... I think somewhere you said about 100 years or something? And then you accepted Jesus, and now here you are in this life... Doesn't sound much different to me.

If you don't want to listen, then don't.

I'm not not listening! I'm not really hearing though! Not understanding all of where you're coming from.

These things don't hardly matter to me anymore-I have enough going on right now and my new life is in Christ.

Yes well, you did start by telling us... So you're only going to get questions from someone like me! Like I said, I think it's good the steps that you are entering into.

Ezekiel 8, v6-10

This is all that I can suggest. We have been carried captive to this earth. I *did* hate myself for what I had done, not just here, but *there* as well. And I hate the fact that we all ruined what was so perfect. Nothing that now stands can compare to that which once was. Nothing.

Kol... don't you think you're taking that just a lot out of context? This is talking about the Israelite people. It's not talking about us as beings who previously existed being banished to earth for our past sins.


And tell me.... who is Kol?

 

[millerrod]

kol when false teaching is happening such as was happening on this thread [ not by you ] someone must address the false-teaching. it isnt bringing a battle nor starting a battle it is standing in Truth, Gods Truth. We can not be expected to sit by and watch, there are new and young christians that visit the forum that are vunerable to false teachings it is our duty as deciples of Christ to discredit these false statements with Gods Truth. Each thread is seen by many nations and many eyes and ears it is all our responsibility to see that Gods Word is clear and fasle teachings are addressed.

 

[Kol]

Well, I really don't know the answer to all these things. I think that the devil rules in heaven by the allowance of God and that what people see when they "die" is really a masquerade. I think that there's more going on than the people in heaven realize.

I don't know why I remember these things. I don't think that verse is too out of context, because if what I remember as happening really happened, then...well then, yes, God has destroyed all of us and an entire age, and left only a memory. I think Israel was another example of that.

The name "Kol" is taken from a very old (1985) video game named "Dragon Warrior." You have to kill a dragon and get back a ball of light. Kol is the name of a town. You find a flute in Kol that you use when you're fighting one of the dragon's monsters. This monster is a giant made out of metal. People made it to protect them but it turned against them instead. You have to use the flute to stop it. ::shrugs::

 

[Kol]

I'm not talking about reincarnation. I'm talking about...uh, pre-incarnation...I'm not talking about past lives. I'm talking about *a* past existence in another reality.

Not 100 years, more like several thousands.

I don't see how what Ian McCormack experienced is in line with the Bible anymore than what I say.

No, I don't think I'm "special." I have my own design, just as everyone else does.

 

[Gregged]

Ok... have to be quick coz I have a whole heap of work to do and it's late!

I think that the devil rules in heaven by the allowance of God

The devil rules in heaven? Which heaven are you talking about? Surely not the Heaven where God is?

and that what people see when they "die" is really a masquerade.

You mean like in a near death experience? So if they see God then it's not really God at all?

I'm not talking about reincarnation. I'm talking about...uh, pre-incarnation...I'm not talking about past lives. I'm talking about *a* past existence in another reality.

Kol... as you know, your whole past existence, war in heaven, the fall etc... do you think, that there is even the least possible chance that in your time in the occult that one of the fallen angels who was there in the time you describe communicated this story to your mind, making it so real that you believe it so strongly? You seem so sure that your experience is valid and those of others are evil. Why is yours not evi? lAnd remembering that you said somewhere you've had experiences since becoming a Christian... As someone once said - you can leave the occult, but that doesn't mean the occult leaves you! Sometimes this type of involvement takes repentance and ministry to deal with. Have you had prayer or anything for what you were involved in?

Thanks for your replies.

 

[Gregged]

I remembered all of this!! I remember us in little gowns, everything. Some of it is too sacred for me to talk about, but there is something else odd I remember. I remember two people observing us and then suddenly knowing that they were somewhat intruding on a very sacred thing, decided to leave and one of them said "Let's go see Jesus" and the other agreed.

In J.D.s story he says that the power was getting too great and an angel said they should leave because it was too much for him.

I was hesitant to share this, because I felt that some would "throw the baby out with the bathwater" consider all accounts(including mine) as being deception. There are those christians who won't accept the supernatural--dreams, visions, preconceived memories etc as of God but consider it all evil and I didn't want them to think I was a spiritual retard, etc. Also, I didn't want to be casting pearls(my memory of when Abba created me) before swine(those who wouldn't understand and think I was new agey, etc) and also the fac that there are demonic(satan imitates whatever is of God and steals what belongs to Him--plus using fallen angels familiar spirits in false memories, etc) counterfeits.

Ok... here's my honest thoughts of what you've said (and Kol too)... I have to say that I'm not entirely comfortable with pre-existence memories. Now I'm really a solo-scriptura kind of person. I like to see things backed up with the Bible. Sure there are other teaching books and theories out there, but for me they have to come into line with what the Bible teaches. If not, it will probably be almost impossible to convince me.

As I've said, I have my own theories about pre-existence, the fall etc etc and I'm sure they would be similiar to other peoples. These are not things I'm going to talk about on a public forum because they are not 100% Bible. They're not 100% outside of that either or else I wouldn't entertain them. But I know some thoughts I've had a while back weren't good in that I just thought "well, if this is how things really are in life/death/the heavenlies etc, then why bother living this life as a Christian." And that of course, is wrong.

Now of course, everything is not in the Bible. Otherwise we would know more detail about the fall, the Nephilim, the earth as it was before creation etc. This is backed up by Paul who talks about a time when "a man" was caught up to the third heaven and heard "inexpressible things that man is not permitted to tell". So I don't dismiss supernatural dreams, visions etc at all. After all, John was given the supernatural vision which is the book of Revelation. Although I believe the canon of scripture is closed, God still reveals things to us today... The difference (for me) is that they must all line up in some way to Scripture. Otherwise we have all sort of cults and religions (e.g. Mormonism) rising up... Without Scripture, we have no way to say that something is not of God because everyone just makes there own Scripture up. So it's very important to me!

As Paul said that there are things he heard that man is not permitted to tell, so I cannot say that your experience is not valid - and am not doing so at all. I know there are things and experiences - pearls - I have had with God that I keep more to myself.

Yes, there is also the satanic because satan is around to deceive us and do what he is the father of... lies. We also know that 2 Co 11:14 says satan masquerades as an angel of light. That is why we have to "test the spirits" (1 John 4:1) which is really another verse saying that there will be extra revelation / teaching, but we are to test what we hear. I always weigh things up because I want the truth. If I say anything in a post, then I expect people to weigh up what I say too and not just take things blindly because it sounds good.

Well, I have my own conclusions about these two main experiences discussed here, and I'm going to bail out of this topic now. It's up to each individual to weigh things up themselves with God.

Anyway Lara, please don't let others and what they may think of your posts keep you away and stop you from posting!


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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I have several memories of being in heaven before I was born. I never "remembered" these; I have just never forgotten them.

I have looked *all* across the internet for similar experiences, but all I get are new age reincarnation sites.

I do not believe I've been previously "carnated." What I'm looking for are memories of life either as a baby before birth, or a spiritual existence before being born.

If you have stories, please post them.

I have memories, and I have stories -- but I don't think I should post them on the open forum. I am not sure how real they are and I doubt they'd be edifying.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

A little while after the Arkansas experience, I came back home and threw away my last Tarot deck, an "Enochian" tarot set. The next week, I bought another one at Borders. That set cost me $60. Two days later, I threw it away as well. ...

Have you had any other experience working with the Enochian system besides messing about with this Tarot deck?

 

[Kol]

The devil rules in heaven? Which heaven are you talking about? Surely not the Heaven where God is?

No, not where God is. There are other people who believe this. Start to research NDEs (near death experiences) and you'll find they are joined to new age beliefs. The Jesus they are seeing is not our Lord.

Have you had prayer or anything for what you were involved in?

Yes. If in fact this is not me, then the blonde-haired man must be initiating both the memories and the experiences. My half-sister, her boyfriend, my old girlfriend, and her brother all had to have had the spirits of the 'fallen angels' I dreamt about.

Have you had any other experience working with the Enochian system besides messing about with this Tarot deck?

No. I have a copy of the Book of Enoch, but not much interest in reading it. When I was in the occult, I seemed to have a great deal of interest in such things. But it's all knowledge at the best, and I prefer growing in love, not knowledge.

I never even memorized all the cards.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Kol, I know everything you say. I'm no baby christian. I guess I just get soooo frustrated with those who think I am and so I'm very uneasy on these stupid boards because I'm indian, they have to think I'm a second class spiritually, etc. THey think I don't know the Word, etc, when it's tedious for me to debate,---I'm better at stories(a native thing,), not intellectual white man type debating. We christian indians always felt that way--that white christians treat us as 2nd class and spiritual retards. I know all about testing spirits and when I think about the rememberence of when Abba created me, breathing me out of His mouth and sending me down to my mom's womb, I remember in Genesis when He breathed into Adams nostrils and Adam became a living being. I think white chrisitans can get very phariseeical dismissing and thinking that testing the spirits means EVERYTHING is evil. I agree about Kol's rememberence being that of nephilim origin. I felt that I was not the one to tell him that and I'm glad hyou came in and explain it to him.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Also, I feel more and more these forums are just a waste of time for me since no one wants to hear an cherokee Indian tell her side of things--especially in trying to kill sacred cows of "God, country and apple pie" lala bs that so many american christians have about the US history.

 

[cherokeehippie]

And I guess I should have kept the story to myself, just as Paul was not permitted and so did not share,... one thing that practiced in Native culture, is not to 'throw around sacred things', there are things that are too sacred to share freely--natives have more the concept of sacred things than white people do. Whites tend to 'market' holy things--(like the tv preachers gettijng rich on people sending them money and using that money to by fancy things--from preaching and healing, etc--makes me think of when Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple!! It makes me wonder--about Jesse Duplantis--I don't know him, but I read and loved the book he wrote, but to think, that he might have used something God gave him and got rich on it, marketing it. This stupid country(USA) is goint to be nuked because of the CHRISTIAns stupid greed and judging us Indians for being 'too politically correct' in speaking about injustice, etc.

 

[Kol]

If it were a fallen angel's memories, then why does he remember being born in *my* body? If you know your lit about the fallen angels, they are chained in Tartarus, beneath the ocean. Why do I recognize my family as the other celestials who were with me?

You have not convinced me, though it may be possible to do so.

The memory I have is of a very tired son of God who is on his way to be born. He seems to know the same people as I do. He seems willing to rely on God to put things right again.

The term 'nephilim' doesn't describe what you're suggesting. You seem ignorant (no offense intended, please) of the story. The fallen angels are chained. Their sons are all destroyed. It might be possible that one of their children (a demon) possessed an angel, then came down to possess me as a baby. But I'm a Christian now. If I truly have the Holy Spirit, then I *can't* be "possessed." Yet not only do I still remember these things, I continue to experience myself as that other being. Furthermore, this would have to be a band of demons, all possessing individual members of my family and friends-including another who has depended on the Holy Spirit and God all her life. Is she possessed as well?

What's more, they would had to have influenced nature and three family's worth of geneologies to cause all of us to physically resemble the demon-possessed angel's companions.

Furthermore, they would had to have sent another evil spirit, the 'blonde-haired man', to deceive me all throughout my life. This evil spirit in particular would had to have been very adamant on me returning to God through Christ Jesus.

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[Kol]

And I guess I should have kept the story to myself, just as Paul was not permitted and so did not share...

"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret. -John 18.20

"What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs." -Matthew 10.27

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Also, I feel more and more these forums are just a waste of time for me since no one wants to hear an cherokee Indian tell her side of things--especially in trying to kill sacred cows of "God, country and apple pie" lala bs that so many american christians have about the US history.

Are you kidding? Slaughter away!!! I'll light the BBQ grill ....

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret. -John 18.20

Apropos of nothing, I've always loved that scripture.

 

[siege]

Also, I feel more and more these forums are just a waste of time for me since no one wants to hear an cherokee Indian tell her side of things--especially in trying to kill sacred cows of "God, country and apple pie" lala bs that so many american christians have about the US history.

As often as I'm told that I'm biased about other's posts because I'm white lately I'm beginning to wonder if its not MY posts that are biased because of it. I could care less who you are if what you say is interesting and will agree with it if I believe it falls in line with scripture, and honestly, I think most people here feel that way.

Sure we've had our failings in the past as a nation, and some now. But really, what nation doesn't? Are we, who had nothing to do with history period suppose to sit around for eternity dwelling on it and apologizing about it? That's ridiculous.

And I don't really see what any of this has to do with the topic at hand, which is discussing Kol's memories and relating similar ones.

 

[gracechick]

Havn't been here for much of the discussion, but Kol I believe you to be rite about 1 thing. That the most troublesome & powerful angels that fell are chained in Tartarus.
These angels cannot do anything to mankind until they are loosed at the time of the rapture(pretribber). It was done I believe to protect us...these beings have nothing but revenge & evil on their minds so God locked them down.
I once had a vision in prayer of these beings I believe. Chained to a wall, hands cuffed together facing the it. Serious lockdown.
One must be very careful about the whispers, thoughts & even appearances of supernatural beings. Paul himself said that if an angel from heaven shows up at your door & preaches a gospel other then the scriptural truth. Well turn away, bcause that angel is accursed.

Just challenge you to keep praying to God for Him to show you the truth to the questions you ask. Keep opening the Word which is sharper then a two edged sword. & if they arn't of God they will be very testy & may not want to hang around & take the heat of God's presence. Just some thoughts on testing the spirits man.