Pre-creation

[Grafted In]

According to many believers, we cannot determine how long time has existed.
Since there is no evidence as to when He created time and He had always been the same Triune God, how do you suppose He entertained Himself for the eternity prior to creation, as it is recorded for us.
Do you suppose He enjoyed being THEE God who is the one true God, Jesus Christ?
Eternity is a long, long time.

 

[Tom8907]

Yup. That is one of the many glorious mysteries of God our finite human mind can't comprehend.

 

[ozso]

According to many believers, we cannot determine how long time has existed.
Since there is no evidence as to when He created time and He had always been the same Triune God, how do you suppose He entertained Himself for the eternity prior to creation, as it is recorded for us.
Do you suppose He enjoyed being THEE God who is the one true God, Jesus Christ?
Eternity is a long, long time.

When God began creating, God said "let US create". So I'd say that's evidence the triune Godhead existed before creation.

 

[Grafted In]

Yup. That is one of the many glorious mysteries of God our finite human mind can't comprehend.

Can our minds comprehend anything spiritual. Isn't the mind of Christ in us only that can discern spiritual matters?

 

[Grafted In]

When God began creating, God said "let US create". So I'd say that's evidence the triune Godhead existed before creation.

Oh, I wasn't questioning that.

 

[ozso]

Oh, I wasn't questioning that.

Oops so sorry. I misread your post as saying:

Since there is no evidence He had always been the same Triune God

 

[Bob Crowley]

Since God looks ahead, He probably spent quite a bit of "time" plannng this universe before He put it into place.

He would have had to conceive of the physical laws, decide what parameters He was going to use to plan it, right down to biological reactions, making some planets suitable for life, putting a planet with a moon to stablise it and provide a first stepping off point for the humans to start exploring space, decide when He was going to put in a personal appearance as a human being in the form of God the Son, work out how He would separate the goats from the sheep and keep them separated, plan how He would use the angelic beings while still allowing for their potential rebelllion.

Of course He started with nothing - just a plan. I've said this before but this universe appears to be a "sum zero energy universe" ie. it adds up to nothing. You might say it's nothing but a plan - a blueprint put into virtual reality (from God's point of view) until its time to present the real thing - the new heavens and the new earth.

Of as my old pastor put it, why would God give us humans a really solid universe considering our sinful nature - our endless wars, our cruelties, our pride, our endless violence and destruction?

He would have had a lot of planning to do, followed by maintaining this virtual universe until it had served its purpose.

Even a relatively minor event like healing the deaf man involves more than the simple statement about healing. He would have had to fix the root cause of his deafness, create neural pathways in his brain so he could understand the new sounds, give him enough language skills (possibly in four languages - Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin) so the deaf man could speak languages he'd never heard before, give him functioning vocal chords which had never been used with any degree of finesse after being mute, ensure his inner ears were working as they should, and do all this in the blink of an eye.

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Sensitive structures​

It's the amazing sensitivity of our ear structures that doom them to early decline, he says.

The softest sound we can hear corresponds to air vibration as small as one tenth the diameter of an atom. Our brain can automatically detect differences in sound on the order of 10 millionths of a second.

That's the detail God had to restore.

And plan before He created anything, along with all the other fnicky details.

 

[Tom8907]

Can our minds comprehend anything spiritual. Isn't the mind of Christ in us only that can discern spiritual matters?

We can grow in knowledge but obviously we won't get perfect knowledge, there are attributes of God which are still a mystery.

 

[eleos1954]

According to many believers, we cannot determine how long time has existed.
Since there is no evidence as to when He created time and He had always been the same Triune God, how do you suppose He entertained Himself for the eternity prior to creation, as it is recorded for us.
Do you suppose He enjoyed being THEE God who is the one true God, Jesus Christ?
Eternity is a long, long time.

As far as God goes there cannot be a beginning or end to time because there cannot be a first or last change (He has always been). That is ... there is no measurement ... because it never began and never ends.

Time is just the measure of change ... God does not change, always has been (eternal)

Time is an illusion ... it requires an intelligent mind and life experiences for it to exist. It is theorized (and accepted by some) that time is a 4th dimension ... however ....

[Based on our current understanding, the human mind experiences and perceives the world in three dimensions, as our brains process information from our senses to create a representation of our surroundings with height, width, and depth; essentially, we "think in 3D."

According to religious interpretations, God's purpose in creating time was to establish a structured framework for the universe, allowing for change, growth, and the experience of life through distinct moments, seasons, and cycles, ultimately providing a way for humans to interact with creation and develop a relationship with Him through the passage of time; essentially, time serves as a stage for the unfolding of God's plan and the development of humanity within it.

 

[Grafted In]

I often wonder what it was like for Jesus, who is and always has been, when He entered into time.

 

[Stephen3141]

I hardly think that speculating about "how God entertained himself" before
there was space-time, is a core doctrine of Christianity.

It may be difficult for the younger entertainment generations, to imagine
that there is anything else beside entertainment, but there is.

 

[Mark Quayle]

According to many believers, we cannot determine how long time has existed.
Since there is no evidence as to when He created time and He had always been the same Triune God, how do you suppose He entertained Himself for the eternity prior to creation, as it is recorded for us.
Do you suppose He enjoyed being THEE God who is the one true God, Jesus Christ?
Eternity is a long, long time.

Or eternity is no time at all.

God is not like us, not a fellow-resident with us within time. Time does not govern him. Nothing governs him. He does not exist within a larger reality. He 'INVENTED', (I say for lack of a better word), reality, and time, and logic, and all the other things we think of as "The Omni".

Philosophical reason produces several very good descriptors concerning God, none of which represent the whole of them. Among them is the fact that he is without needs or passions as we know them. He lacks nothing. Another is that he is altogether satisfied with what/who he is. There was/is no reason for him to be bored or to need entertainment. He is not like us. It is WE who are like him (though not very much).