Pre-Adamite Doctrine, History and Teaching

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Lol! You sure he's not another sockpuppet of yours? :D

Obviously not, i'm not an american BI poser who is married to an Amerindian. theWaris1 is a parody account and he only joined this thread to make BI/CI look stupid. If the same had been done to any other denomination he would have been banned but because BI/CI is loathed so much he gets away with it. Can you imagine going to the Catholic ect section of this forum and mocking them? Automatic ban.
 
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Obviously not, i'm not an american BI poser who is married to an Amerindian. theWaris1 is a parody account and he only joined this thread to make BI/CI look stupid. If the same had been done to any other denomination he would have been banned but because BI/CI is loathed so much he gets away with it. Can you imagine going to the Catholic ect section of this forum and mocking them? Automatic ban.
You have no clue what a British Israelism is. BI accepts all people unlike CI which is a small pathetic little group of miserable misguided false teachers.

Why don't you get over the fact that no one here has those screwed up beliefs that you do?
 
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You have no clue what a British Israelism is. BI accepts all people unlike CI which is a small pathetic little group of miserable misguided false teachers.

Why don't you get over the fact that no one here has those screwed up beliefs that you do?

BI only accepts ethnic-British, or people of related north-western european descent. A core tenet is geneaological purity. Looks like you have never read a BI book before, instead you are pulling your junk from CAI - a modern multiracial cult that on its website calls British Israelites ''cranks'' and BI ''bizarre''. Read the link i provided. Going to the main CAI page also reveals their members are Indians or Africans. If you think this is British Israelism then you are seriously confused, or as i said you are just here to cause trouble by making a parody of the BI movement.

I own a library of close to 1000 British Israelite books. I also added the following articles to wikipedia: British Israelism, Nordic Israelism, Dutch Israelism. I've also attended BIWF (British Israel World Federation) meetings. All BI proponents i've met hold my views. None i have ever met think BI is multiracial/multicultural and marry outside of their race. You have no idea what BI is and have missed the entire basis of it - geneaology. The basis of BI is the belief in an unmixed line of descent to the Israelites. We follow the Bible when it tells us that Israel are to be a seperate people. Israel wouldn't exist if we were all intermixed. You don't understand the basics. Anyone reading this thread will be misinformed about BI - from the start it has opposed multiracialism and you are dumping on our movement by claiming you are BI.
 
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Covenant Publishing sell a wall chart which traces Adam's ancestry through to the Anglo-Saxon race.

It's only £2.50

Covenant Publishing Ltd

Chart of the Royal Line from Adam to King David and through to Queen Elizabeth II, showing the two houses of Israel.

The ignorance of the so-called "Christian Identity" people only serves the agenda of the Korean gaijin who occupy our ancient homelands.

Now dog, you will be silent while I tell you the true history. Interruption will be cause for my katana to meet your neck, as is my right as an Anglo-Saxon samurai.

The so-called "Germanic" peoples originated on the misty Isles of Nippon, in ages past. Our paleness of skin and hair is a direct result of living on misty isles, which blocked out the solar rays that so punished the exposed skin of the gaijin.

It is a known fact - obscured by the agenda of foreign-devil conspiracies such as Sony, Mazda, and Pokemon - that the original peoples of Nippon fled westwards when their native isles were invaded by the Korean dogs, who are lower than the lowest filth-eating eta. These low fiends have usurped our original language, and our original faith!

What you call "Germanic" or "Anglo-Saxon" or "Christian" culture is nothing more than a bastardisation of our true history. So listen carefully, dog, and learn!

YAHWEH: comes from the original Yahari, meaning "as expected to be." Appears in the ancient of tales in a distorted form, namely "I AM I." Originally an abstract concept of destiny or karma, but personalised by fools, mongrels, and trickster spirits in the shape of foxes.

TEUTONIC: derived from Tauso, meaning "to defeat in battle." Do you deny the martial prowress of our ancestors, dog? We have always been samurai!

ODIN: from the adjective Oden, meaning "mixture of many things," an appropriate description of the many-faceted king of the gods.

SAXON: from the noun Sakana, meaning fish, or associated with fish. A reference to our great migration from the eastern isles across the fish-plentiful sea north of Siberia.

Note that the modern-day English frequently use the exclamation "Oi," which has the connotation of "hey." Now, low cur, do you know how to say "hey" in our original tongue? That's right - "Oi"! Further cementing the obvious relationship between the present-day British and the ancient Jomon.

And it has been proven by ancient royal geneology charts that all the ancient great monarchs of Europe - Victoria, Arthur, Alfred, William the Conqueror, Alexander the Great - they all were descended from Ameratsu, the Sun Goddess!

If you do not now see the light, I can help you no further. I have told you the tale of our true identity, our Shinto Identity. If you hold to our old misconceptions, then truly you wander in ignorant darkness. You are like two birds tied one to another: they have four wings, but cannot fly! Or possibly you are merely a shape-shifting fox or other yokai come to irritate me.

What, incidentally, is the sound of one hand clapping?
 
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Obviously not, i'm not an american BI poser who is married to an Amerindian. theWaris1 is a parody account and he only joined this thread to make BI/CI look stupid. If the same had been done to any other denomination he would have been banned but because BI/CI is loathed so much he gets away with it. Can you imagine going to the Catholic ect section of this forum and mocking them? Automatic ban.

The problem with this line of thinking, Research3, is that Catholicism is a Christian creed, whereas your cult isn't.
 
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BI only accepts ethnic-British, or people of related north-western european descent. A core tenet is geneaological purity. Looks like you have never read a BI book before, instead you are pulling your junk from CAI - a modern multiracial cult that on its website calls British Israelites ''cranks'' and BI ''bizarre''. Read the link i provided. Going to the main CAI page also reveals their members are Indians or Africans. If you think this is British Israelism then you are seriously confused, or as i said you are just here to cause trouble by making a parody of the BI movement.

I own a library of close to 1000 British Israelite books. I also added the following articles to wikipedia: British Israelism, Nordic Israelism, Dutch Israelism. I've also attended BIWF (British Israel World Federation) meetings. All BI proponents i've met hold my views. None i have ever met think BI is multiracial/multicultural and marry outside of their race. You have no idea what BI is and have missed the entire basis of it - geneaology. The basis of BI is the belief in an unmixed line of descent to the Israelites. We follow the Bible when it tells us that Israel are to be a seperate people. Israel wouldn't exist if we were all intermixed. You don't understand the basics. Anyone reading this thread will be misinformed about BI - from the start it has opposed multiracialism and you are dumping on our movement by claiming you are BI.
Again you are confused and what happened to your ignore feature? I thought I was going to get the ignore treatment which would be better than talkin to a delusional sort that creates facts to fill in an agenda.

British Israelism isn't CI. They are not similar.
CI is useless and unbiblical.
CI don't appear to be Christian based and they twist scripture to fit an agenda of hatred.
 
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Name a BI pioneer or early work you have read.

Edward Hine, John Wilson, Charles Ottley Groom Napier (see my picture), George Moore, John Cox Gawler, William H. Poole etc - the earliest founders of the BI movement all opposed the intermixing of races.

Hine's Forty-seven Identifications (1878) states that not only should the races not mix but the non-white aborigines of all British colonies were to be wiped out, he called them 'desolate heritages'. This he thought was in Bible prophecy. Hine even predicted dates when the australian aborigines and Amerindians would die out, but all these have passed. Hine's extremist view i don't even take, but the point is - BI is for white racialists only. I'm not sure why you are toying around with it, when you admitted your wife isn't white but of Amerindian blood and you think Israel are mixed.
 
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The ignorance of the so-called "Christian Identity" people only serves the agenda of the Korean gaijin who occupy our ancient homelands.

Now dog, you will be silent while I tell you the true history. Interruption will be cause for my katana to meet your neck, as is my right as an Anglo-Saxon samurai.

The so-called "Germanic" peoples originated on the misty Isles of Nippon, in ages past. Our paleness of skin and hair is a direct result of living on misty isles, which blocked out the solar rays that so punished the exposed skin of the gaijin.

It is a known fact - obscured by the agenda of foreign-devil conspiracies such as Sony, Mazda, and Pokemon - that the original peoples of Nippon fled westwards when their native isles were invaded by the Korean dogs, who are lower than the lowest filth-eating eta. These low fiends have usurped our original language, and our original faith!

What you call "Germanic" or "Anglo-Saxon" or "Christian" culture is nothing more than a bastardisation of our true history. So listen carefully, dog, and learn!

YAHWEH: comes from the original Yahari, meaning "as expected to be." Appears in the ancient of tales in a distorted form, namely "I AM I." Originally an abstract concept of destiny or karma, but personalised by fools, mongrels, and trickster spirits in the shape of foxes.

TEUTONIC: derived from Tauso, meaning "to defeat in battle." Do you deny the martial prowress of our ancestors, dog? We have always been samurai!

ODIN: from the adjective Oden, meaning "mixture of many things," an appropriate description of the many-faceted king of the gods.

SAXON: from the noun Sakana, meaning fish, or associated with fish. A reference to our great migration from the eastern isles across the fish-plentiful sea north of Siberia.

Note that the modern-day English frequently use the exclamation "Oi," which has the connotation of "hey." Now, low cur, do you know how to say "hey" in our original tongue? That's right - "Oi"! Further cementing the obvious relationship between the present-day British and the ancient Jomon.

And it has been proven by ancient royal geneology charts that all the ancient great monarchs of Europe - Victoria, Arthur, Alfred, William the Conqueror, Alexander the Great - they all were descended from Ameratsu, the Sun Goddess!

If you do not now see the light, I can help you no further. I have told you the tale of our true identity, our Shinto Identity. If you hold to our old misconceptions, then truly you wander in ignorant darkness. You are like two birds tied one to another: they have four wings, but cannot fly! Or possibly you are merely a shape-shifting fox or other yokai come to irritate me.

What, incidentally, is the sound of one hand clapping?

Our opponents can not debate us (as they always loose) so instead they turn to parody or humour.

Notedstrangeperson did the same and since has left.

Please remember this thread was to debate the pre-adamite doctrine.

If you think Chsirtian Identity pre-adamism is not scriptural, then please show where and try to refute what was posted. So far all we've had is a whole load of thread derail attempts or people attacking others.
 
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Name a BI pioneer or early work you have read.

Edward Hine, John Wilson, Charles Ottley Groom Napier (see my picture), George Moore, John Cox Gawler, William H. Poole etc - the earliest founders of the BI movement all opposed the intermixing of races.

Hine's Forty-seven Identifications (1878) states that not only should the races not mix but the non-white aborigines of all British colonies were to be wiped out, he called them 'desolate heritages'. This he thought was in Bible prophecy. Hine even predicted dates when the australian aborigines and Amerindians would die out, but all these have passed. Hine's extremist view i don't even take, but the point is - BI is for white racialists only. I'm not sure why you are toying around with it, when you admitted your wife isn't white but of Amerindian blood and you think Israel are mixed.
No what I think is that you and others like you are just retards and incapable of rational thought. Now put me on ignore and go to stormfront with your other sad friends..
 
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Edward Hine BI Pioneer -

Forty-Seven Identifications Of The British Nation With The Lost Ten Tribes Of Israel.
Founded Upon
Five Hundred Scripture Proofs.
Dedicated To The (So-Called) British People. By Their Kinsman, Edward Hine



THE ABORIGINES' OF ISRAEL'S COLONIES WERE TO DIE OUT.
IDENTIFICATION THE TWENTY-FIRST.
''WE are expressly told that the aborigines: of Israel's Colonies should die out. THE IDENTITY brings this Scripture out, clearly, that wherever we have Colonies the aborigines are dying out before us. The thing is not in operation by our own act, but by the act of God: the Almighty declared it should be so, and it is so. It has been observed that this is a cruel thing; but -this is =a wicked observation to make, because it is God's own design.''
 
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Hine's extremist view i don't even take, but the point is - BI is for white racialists only. I'm not sure why you are toying around with it, when you admitted your wife isn't white but of Amerindian blood and you think Israel are mixed.

What of Arnold Murray? The World Wide Church of God? These people are hardly "white racialists".

Getting back on topic: Not that I'm a Creationist, but I think the Catholic Encyclopedia provides the best scriptural refutation of Pre-Adamism:

(1) Scripture itself points out that the creation of man in Genesis 1:26 sqq., is identical with that mentioned in Genesis 2:7, for according to Genesis 2:5, "there was not a man to till the earth"; according to Genesis 2:20, "for Adam there was not found a helper like himself"; according to 3:20, "Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living". Scripture, therefore, knows of no men created before Adam. (2) The appeal to the incidents in the history of Cain loses its force, if we remember that they happened about 120 years after Adam had been driven from Paradise: at that time, the progeny of Adam must have amounted to several thousand souls, so that Cain's fear and flight and his building of a primitive city are easily explained. (3) The difficulty arising from Cain's marriage was satisfactorily explained by St. Augustine (City of God XV.16; cf. Epiphanius, "Hær.", xxxix, 6), who points out that necessity compelled the immediate offspring of Adam and Eve to marry even their sisters.
 
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theWaris1: Thanks for the explanation but I'm still a bit fuzzy on the issue. So do British Israelism followers believe the British are one of the lost tribes of Israel, but they also believe of all races and nations people can become Christians?

theWaris1 said:
the tribes were kept pure for Christ sake, imo. I beleive it was important for his blood to be pure.

Not really. Joseph was the descendant of King David but he was not the physical father of Jesus, hence he would not have inherited his 'pure blood'. As far as I know Mary's ancestry isn't mentioned at all.

theWaris1 said:
One thing for certain is Jesus was not a Jew & did not favor Jews

Jesus wasn't a Jew? Now that is certainly incorrect. :p

theWarsis1 said:
Many blacks today try to mimic bible characters. This one was also known as Moses the robber and known as a terror in the early days.

There's no reason to think Moses the black wasn't, well, black. In the early days he may have been a killer and a thief, but Paul was also a persecutor of Christians before his conversion. The point of Christianity is the help criminals and evil people.

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Gentile does not solely mean non-Jew.
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Actually that's exactly what it means:

Gentile:
1. A person who is not Jewish.

Perhaps I shouldn't but I find the squabble between you and theWaris1 amusing. I find his arguments (marginally) less ridiculous than yours but all this nonsense about nationalism and race seem daft to me. Country and colour is of little revelance to Christianity.
 
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Here i have evidence theWaris1 is a fake account who has trolled this thread from the start -

*theWaris1 claims to oppose Christian Identity because it is 'racist'.

Yet he posts Christian Identity views on the following forum:

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/12995-marrying-the-same-blood/page__st__30
Here is a quote there from him:
Adam is not the Father of all men. "Adam is a Hebrew word used for man but means one that blushes in the face" Not all men blush. The old testament was a very racial.

- theWaris1 believes like CI proponents that Adam was only the father to the ruddy-cheeked Caucasian

Furthermore theWaris1 also believes Jews are an ''imposter race'', which is also a major tenet of CI.

See his posts -http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/13189-the-lost-tribes-of-israel-who-are-they/page__p__98388__fromsearch__1#entry98388

He also follows Edward Hine's German-Assyria theory. If you read the post above from Hine he was a white racialist who believed the non-white aborigines of the British Empire should be exterminated by the will of God.

Yet if you read several pages back he claims his wife is not white, but of Amerindian blood. Trolling doesn't get any worse than this. theWaris1 posts on other forums as a racialist/Christian Identity proponent yet here attacks CI and claims his wife is not white.
 
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Jesus wasn't a Jew? Now that is certainly incorrect.

See his posts on the other forum i linked to. On that forum he has posted:

*Only Caucasians are adamites.
*The Jews are an imposter race.
*White Europeans are Israelites.

Yet on this forum he posts that CI is 'racist' (despite on the other forum he supports it) and that his wife is not-white.

I think i'll join his other forum and inform the posters there that he is a fake. Perhaps he has a multiple personality disorder.
 
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Well Research3 when you first argued that the native Britons weren't white I said that you're racist against your own race. Now you've called theWarsis1 a troll because of his race-mixing, so I guess you're racist against other British Israelism supporters.

Don't get on with other white people, don't get on with British-Israelism members ... and according to this thread you don't get on with Creationists. Or any Christian for that matter.

I always suspected you were an atheist, black power Darwin-fanboy with a liberal agenda. ;)
 
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Perhaps I shouldn't but I find the squabble between you and theWaris1 amusing.

What's amusing is all the oddballs and cranks you come across on the net. theWaris1 uses different forums and posts conflicting polar opposite views. That is seriously mental.
 
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Well Research3 when you first argued that the native Britons weren't white I said that you're racist against your own race.

I said they were non-Aryan, not non-white.

The Aryans (Adamites) were a branch of Caucasians. The earlier Caucasoid inhabitants of Britain and Europe were not Aryan. That is why the Basque language etc is an isolate, its not Indo-European.

The Indo-European Aryans migrated into Europe after the pre-Aryan Caucasoids were already there.

One again you don't understand or misinterpet my posts - which makes you look dumb. I never said the native Britons were not white, i said they were not Aryan.

Now you've called theWarsis1 a troll because of his race-mixing, so I guess you're racist against other British Israelism supporters.

I'm calling him a troll because he's a fake as i have exposed with those links. And you can't be a supporter of BI/CI if you are married to a non-white. His account is a fake and he's only here to parody the movement.

Don't get on with other white people, don't get on with British-Israelism members ... and according to this thread you don't get on with Creationists. Or any Christian for that matter.

I always suspected you were an atheist, black power Darwin-fanboy with a liberal agenda. ;)

I'm here to debate scripture nothing more. The thread was however derailed by numerous individuals (including you). theWarsis has just used this thread to mock BI/CI for some bizarre personal agenda.
 
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Research3 said:
One again you don't understand or misinterpet my posts - which makes you look dumb. I never said the native Britons were not white, i said they were not Aryan.

Ah, they were the wrong type of white. Gotcha. Also, I pointed out earlier that the 'Aryans' of India were a Nazi myth.
 
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Ah, they were the wrong type of white. Gotcha. Also, I pointed out earlier that the 'Aryans' of India were a Nazi myth.

Basics here -

The Indo-European Invasions

''The invading Nordics soon integrated with the largely Mediterranean populations of these areas and in many cases provided the leadership elite of these territories. Some Nordic tribes migrated into the Far East - as far as China, where Nordic remains have been found in burial chambers. The Indo-European Nordic tribes were responsible for many of the world's principal civilizations: the Aryans in India, the Kassites, the Hittites, Persian, Mycenaean, Greek, Roman, Celtic, Teutonic, Slavic and latter day Western European cultures.''

Indo-European Homeland Hypotheses -

Proto-Indo-European Urheimat hypotheses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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