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Praying to Mary - A Biblical Defense

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by PanDeVida, Aug 7, 2017.

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  1. PanDeVida

    PanDeVida Well-Known Member

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    Praying to Mary or to any Saint in Heaven

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  2. Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4

    Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 Active Member

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    I don't understand which part of John 14:6 they don't understand . Did they remove this verse from thier bible of they simply ignore it's egsistance?

    Most people now don't realise how hard it was to actually pray to God before church age , there had to be high-priest from tribe of Levi , moreover only sons of Aaron could be high-priest and it was only once a year and not without blood !

    Now you have Christ himself as the most high king and priest sitting on right hand of his Father , meaning that his work is completed , back in day Levi priests could not sit in holy of holys because there was nothing to sit on , thier job was not finished .

    Since you have your king and priest praying for you right now , maybe you could pray to him only and his name is Jesus Christ not Mary , how hard is it to understand for there people ?

    Hebrews 4:14-16

    Every time you pray to Mary you blasphemy your high priest and king Jesus Christ , keep doing that but you will be judged for it i'm just saying what bible says about it .
     
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  3. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am sorry that you do not understand that the saints are alive with Christ. It is not blasphemy to ask his mother to ask things of him. The wedding at Cana is a biblical example.

    Forgive me...
     
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  4. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    I can see why you think that, but I think there is more here than to say it's simple Blaspheme. For instance, when I speak with my body, God allows us to speak to any person on the earth that has a body that can hear me.

    I can also speak with the spirit in prayer. Does God say I can't commune with spirits in a similar manner to the body speaking? I think the answer is that God allows us to speak to him and his children in body or spirit. And this act of speaking with body or spirit may open up a communion. And that communion may be with God, his angels, the devil and his angels.

    1 John: {4:1} Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. {4:2} Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: {4:3} And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
     
  5. Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4

    Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 Active Member

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    Jesus said i am the door , in future temple there are only one doors , there is no door for Mary , get over it trust bible not tradition.
     
  6. OrthodoxyUSA

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    2Th 2:15

    Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

    Forgive me...
     
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  7. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    I don't disagree with you that Jesus is the way. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't put his angels at the gates. I found this in Revelation regarding the holy city descending from heaven:

    {21:12} And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: {21:13} On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
     
  8. Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4

    Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 Active Member

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    Ok then go hold tradition and build replica of Noah ark , he got saved this way then you will too i assume.
     
  9. Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4

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    12 Gates are to the city , 1 gate is to the holy of holies where Jesus will sit on throne of David.
     
  10. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Just pointing out that not all tradition is bad.
    Funny you should say that...
    The Church is the Ark.
    Forgive me...
     
  11. Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4

    Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 Active Member

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    Which part of 1 Timothy 2:5 do you not understand ?

    For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
     
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  12. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    You're quoting mediation which is for the judgment. I don't pray to angels unless they visit, then it is rude to not commune with them, and not communing is blaspheme. Let me also quote a scripture from Matthew:

    {21:33} Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: {21:34} And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. {21:35} And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. {21:36} Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. {21:37} But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. {21:38} But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. {21:39} And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him.

    By this scripture we know that God sends his servants. His time is important as a King. And don't expect Jesus to visit you, he may send angels instead. And then would you not commune and try out the spirits?

    [edit] I just don't see anything wrong with communing with a servant of God.
     
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  13. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    In your defense I do see this scripture in Matthew:

    {17:3} And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. {17:4} Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. {17:5} While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. {17:6} And when the disciples heard [it,] they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
     
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  14. SeventyOne

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    That's completely abnormal. Do you always go to someone's mother before you talk to them? Did you go to Faith Alone's mother before responding on the thread? Is there a single instance of anyone going to Mary to get her to ask Jesus for something? No. Not one.

    Because in normal life, we know this to be absurd unless the individual is a child and still under the authority of a parent. Jesus is no child and He's no longer under the parenting of Mary. Unless you still think of Jesus as a mere child, of course.

    The wedding is not an example, because no one came to Mary to ask her to inquire of Jesus about anything. That wouldn't even make sense because His miracles hadn't started yet. No one else would even think about going to Him to resolve the issue.
     
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  15. Albion

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    'Being alive' -- meaning being conscious as a spirit -- is not the issue.
     
  16. Phil 1:21

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    This is the part of that story folks tend to "overlook" when using it as justification for praying to Mary. It's as if folks truly don't understand Calvary.
     
  17. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Pray to me while I'm alive, and I'll post here if I can hear you. That way, after I'm dead, when I've lost my entire body and I'm left only with the spirit, which I also currently have, you'll have some idea whether or not your prayers can reach the spiritual ears of a mere mortal. I'll be waiting.

    In the meantime, I'd suggest saving your prayers for someone omniscient, who can actually hear you, and not some demon who happens to be in the room at the time.
     
  18. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    I would like to point out, in case you missed it, that not all spirits are demons surrounding you. Which is why I quoted the scripture about trying out the spirits. And if they proclaim Jesus was born in the flesh, then what does that mean to you? If you say they are demons I think that would be your error.
     
  19. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    Good point. Where's the list Paul speaks of?
     
  20. redleghunter

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    You are forgiven for invoking Jack Nicholson.
     
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