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<blockquote data-quote="JGG" data-source="post: 60089009" data-attributes="member: 142591"><p>Paul's I believe:</p><p></p><p>Eph 2:8,9: &#8220;For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.&#8221;</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never twisted your words, I'm merely forcing you to be consistent and precise with them, especially when using definitions. You can't give me 4 differing definitions and claim that they're all what you mean, and then re-define the word again. You can't re-define a Christian as someone who follows Jesus' teachings, if you just defined it as someone who merely believes in Jesus' teachings. Those are two different things. I'm not twisting the words, I'm comparing them. You also don't get to claim that Christians do no evil, and then claim that the best Christians still do evil.</p><p></p><p>Finally, you don't get to make holier-than-thou posts like this one...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...while you yourself cannot give a consistent meaning to the term. Is a Christian one who adheres to Christianity, professes belief in teachings, believes in teachings, follows the teachings, or one who does no evil? are you intending to use it as a noun or an adjective? You have so far tried to redefine it each of these ways to suit your need at the time, and they are all different. I even asked you to define it yourself for the sake of consistency, and you apparently could not.</p><p></p><p>Not only that, my definition of Christian, which was "an adherent of Christianity," which you scoffed at, is almost exactly the same as one of the many definitions (this one from Wikipedia) you threw back at me: "A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity..."</p><p></p><p>Not as simple as you suggested, is it?</p><p></p><p>Perhaps I should be wondering if you're here for entertainment, or...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When did I make all these claims?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JGG, post: 60089009, member: 142591"] Paul's I believe: Eph 2:8,9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” I never twisted your words, I'm merely forcing you to be consistent and precise with them, especially when using definitions. You can't give me 4 differing definitions and claim that they're all what you mean, and then re-define the word again. You can't re-define a Christian as someone who follows Jesus' teachings, if you just defined it as someone who merely believes in Jesus' teachings. Those are two different things. I'm not twisting the words, I'm comparing them. You also don't get to claim that Christians do no evil, and then claim that the best Christians still do evil. Finally, you don't get to make holier-than-thou posts like this one... ...while you yourself cannot give a consistent meaning to the term. Is a Christian one who adheres to Christianity, professes belief in teachings, believes in teachings, follows the teachings, or one who does no evil? are you intending to use it as a noun or an adjective? You have so far tried to redefine it each of these ways to suit your need at the time, and they are all different. I even asked you to define it yourself for the sake of consistency, and you apparently could not. Not only that, my definition of Christian, which was "an adherent of Christianity," which you scoffed at, is almost exactly the same as one of the many definitions (this one from Wikipedia) you threw back at me: "A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity..." Not as simple as you suggested, is it? Perhaps I should be wondering if you're here for entertainment, or... When did I make all these claims? [/QUOTE]
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