Love is the greatest commandment but does that make other commandments less valuable? I think the whole thing is very difficult to grasp.
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Yet that doesn't make love a gift. That is an unscriptural statement, "Love is the greatest gift" is about like saying, "God helps those who help themselves"
You'll find neither one of those in the Bible anywhere. Even in CONTEXT (see I do like contexts) of the love is greater than faith, that is right in the middle of the bible's most specific teachings on the gifts of the Spirit, healings being one of the listed. And as he writes that "without love I am nothing" he doesn't say anything about healing not being necessary, he simply says that *PARAPHRASING* those who display the gifts of the Spirit should love, because without love it is pointless.
So I was merely correcting your statement, love is not a gift, it is a fruit.
Whats that have to do with praying for the sick?
That's what im saying. Walking by faith not sight has nothing to do with praying for the sick. I didn't bring that scripture into this discussion, i only tried to shed light on what the scripture teaches, after it was already brought into the discussion.
It has everything to do with faith in God.
And faith is based on belief in gods word. Not on what we see.
its terminology around the same topic.
we believe by faith
we obey by faith
we pray by faith.
It has everything to do with faith in God.
And faith is based on belief in gods word. Not on what we see.
its terminology around the same topic.
we believe by faith
we obey by faith
we pray by faith.
That's what im saying. Walking by faith not sight has nothing to do with praying for the sick. I didn't bring that scripture into this discussion, i only tried to shed light on what the scripture teaches, after it was already brought into the discussion.
It has everything to do with faith in God.
And faith is based on belief in gods word. Not on what we see.
its terminology around the same topic.
we believe by faith
we obey by faith
we pray by faith.
..we walk in the spirit..by faith
Im just going to say this and im done. Its the elders prayers who heal and i see no reason to lay that burden on anyone else. Some are given the gift of healing but not all. How does that compare the scripture about the elders prayers? I dont know. Should we avoid hospitals? No. One thing i do know is that nothing i have seen in scripture should lead us to feel guilty about being sick. We gotta put our focus on heaven instead of earth. That will help us in the struggles we may face. Thats all i know. Gos bless.
How you could possibly come to the conclusion that you'd feel guilty for being sick i have no idea .
we are all alike .. but be sick or not ..i will declare that Gods word is truth even when all i see with my natural eyes is oppose ..Gods word is still truth .
we have nothing else to hold on to ..the world offers us nothing .
putting our focus on heaven will only turn our focus to gods will and his will is that we preach the gospel and heal the sick as the gospel without the manifestation of the power of god is of no use to the hearer ..it is like offering them something then not giving it to them ..
God loves us ..he can and is wiling to heal both our hearts and lives and bodies .
here read ALL of these Smith Wigglesworth | Bibliography | Sermons - he explains it simply and by testimony .
So it seems like a contradiction to suggest that walking by faith and not sight is about healing. It also takes our focus off of the unseen things in heaven. If someone also puts doubt in my mind by questioning my faith because i may not get healed then they have trully taken my focus off of walking by faith not sight.
My bible ( The King James version) says 1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.He said to stop drinking only water, he told him to drink a little wine as well. Drinking wine all the time would eat your liver away and cause other problems. What you have said is speculation. We are all speculating about Timothy's condition because we actually dont know what his infirmities were. The scriptures do however seem to indicate that timothy had multiple infirmities, not just one infirmity.
Of course we do not all need to be healed.Now we get back to faith. My only concern is the difference between the apostles doctrine of walking by faith not sight, and the doctrine of healing by faith. I believe it is not the same thing. I believe we all must walk by faith and not sight if we want to get through this world of hardship, but we dont alll need to be healed. Is something wrong with focusing on heaven, even if we may endure illness without healing? Surely focusing on heaven in all situations can help us get through them. That is what walking by faith not sight means. If however we confuse that definition with healing then we rob ourselves of the full blessings of faith. So its important to study the context of walking by faith and its definition. Its not a bad thing but its a good thing.
Following the context of what Jesus saidThe problem is context. We must stay within context when using scripture. If going outside context doesnt contradict the scripture then maybe its possible to use it outside that context. However what im suggesting is that the teaching about "walking by faith and not sight" is solely about not focusing on earthly things, and those things seem like they may include health and healing, because those are are things we can see and things only found on earth but not in heaven, so if we take it out of context to say it means we should focus on the concerns of this life, such as health and healing, instead of heaven, then we have contradicted the scripture and it cannot be used in that way. Walking by faith is about looking at what we dont see and its specifically referring to heaven and resurrection after death, but healing is something we can see and something that is not found in heaven because there is no sickness in heaven. Do you see my point?
By taking this scripture out of context and using the way we do we end of actually failing to observe the truth about that scripture. We end up doing the very thing that the scripture is teaching us not to do. Misusing the scripture in that way actually teaches us to walk by SIGHT rather than FAITH, according to the faith which the scripture is teaching us.
What is your obsession with healing of self? The op is about healing others.Why suggest to me that if im not healed then it may be because im not walking by faith instead of sight? Paul tells us that our bodies are wasting away and so we should walk by faith not sight, and we do that by looking toward heaven instead of temporary earthly things. However, in this thread im hearing the opposite of what paul has said, im hearing that instead of focusing on heaven because my body is wearing out, that i should instead be focused on my weak faith that doesnt keep my body from wearing out? Thats not what Paul is teaching at all. Not at all. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Im suggesting that if we are healed then praise the Lord. However if we are not healed then praise the Lord. We are going to heaven where there is no more need for healing. Thats walking by faith and not sight.
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