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Why not? You do believe that she is there with her Son, don't you?Well, in all fairness I reckon I can.
However, I don't think that that alludes to her also interceding for us in heaven.
Also known as Mariolotry 101. Please open your bibles to .......
A study of Scripture outside of Apostolic Tradition would be fruitless at best.An EXCELLENT idea!!
Here are all the Scriptures that mention her:
Matthew 1:16, 1:18, 1:20, 2:11, 13:55
Mark 6:3
Luke 1:27, 1:30, 1:34,1:38, 1:39, 1:41, 1:46, 1:56, 2:5, 2:16, 2:19, 2:34
Acts 1:14
Would you like to do that in this thread?
I'd suggest you begin a new thread.
A study of the verses would probably be helpful.
Thank you!
Pax!
- Josiah
Blind assertion. Prove it with the text. I've shown that marriage was in view in the phrase preceding and the sentence following.
Moreover, the idea of a virgin birth was not widespread in Judaism. There's no reason to believe this was the central polemic of Matthew. While the central polemic of Matthew's infancy narrative was the fulfillment of prophecy, the Hebrew of Isaiah refers to a young woman, not a virgin; and while the LXX does refer to a virgin, it never seemed to enter into Hebrew thought or practice.
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Your New American Bible? Check my faith icon, friend.
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First of all, the text doesn't say three. It lists four male children after Jesus (James, Joses, Jude, and Simon) and at least two sisters.
However, the term is aldelphoi. This does not necessarily mean 'brothers' or 'sisters.' It can mean almost any type of relative.
There's nothing in the New Testament to rule out her perpetual virginity. It's an acceptible pious opinion.
There's nothing in the New Testament to rule out her perpetual virginity. It's an acceptible pious opinion.
Look, I'm not defending the doctrine of the perpetual virginity. I don't hold it as a doctrine, because I'm not Catholic.
But this Protestant anti-Catholicism is just nonsense. I mean, why must she have had sex? Because Catholics say she didn't?
There is just nothing in the Bible to deny her perpetual virginity. Stop trying to find it because ya'll don't like Catholicism.
Why does it matter so much that she had sex? Do Catholic dogmas really bother ya'll that much?
Yes, but I don't believe that means she intercedes from heaven. I will also be in heaven one day, but I don't think I will be interceding for people.Why not? You do believe that she is there with her Son, don't you?
If Jesus was not the product of a virgin birth, the whole New Testament falls appart, in that He would then by Joseph's son.
Woops!!!!!!!!!!
My mistake I didn't look
The word which we get sister Adelphe is quite a bit narrower than the word rendered brother from the Greek. And yet when the pure literal meaning is abandoned in favor of a figurative meaning the burden for that shift lies upon the "shifter" not on the one who insists upon a literal meaning. You need to give evidence that we should consider these useages of brother(s) sister(s) are no to be understood in thier literal sence.
Apparantly you do not see the bigger picture in all of this. This is the first step to making Mary the mediator between man and God.
Granted the sex life of a woman 2k years ago has little to do with my eternal life,
leothelioness said:Yes, but I don't believe that means she intercedes from heaven. I will also be in heaven one day, but I don't think I will be interceding for people.
First of all, the text doesn't say three. It lists four male children after Jesus (James, Joses, Jude, and Simon) and at least two sisters.
However, the term is aldelphoi. This does not necessarily mean 'brothers' or 'sisters.' It can mean almost any type of relative.
There's nothing in the New Testament to rule out her perpetual virginity. It's an acceptible pious opinion.
Late responce...........
The word which we get sister Adelphe is quite a bit narrower than the word rendered brother from the Greek. And yet when the pure literal meaning is abandoned in favor of a figurative meaning the burden for that shift lies upon the "shifter" not on the one who insists upon a literal meaning. You need to give evidence that we should consider these useages of brother(s) sister(s) are no to be understood in thier literal sence.
repentant said:Jerry, do you know that the true mother of the names above, the ones who are called Jesus' brother's, are in Scripture?
Mary wife of Clopas, right?
I think more Christians should do this. I certainly will.Well, when I participate in church on Sundays I pray for 'all the people of the church of God,' which includes you.
Thank you for that, brother. And one day I shall come and join you.And when I get to heaven, I'll be praying for you there if I beat you to it.
That is a very sad position to take. You don't think that while standing in the face of Jesus, you wouldn't make a prayer for a brother or sister?Yes, but I don't believe that means she intercedes from heaven. I will also be in heaven one day, but I don't think I will be interceding for people.
I thought you just said that you aren't going to intercede for anyone?I think more Christians should do this. I certainly will.
Thank you for that, brother. And one day I shall come and join you.
And what do you pray for Mary to intercede for you to Jesus for?
And using thy boldness as a mother, entreat thy son and our God that he may open even unto me his loving compassions, that overlooking my innumerable trespasses, he would turn me to repentance and make me the approved doer of his commandments.
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