Prayers for the dead

[Tigger45]

I have regrets that I used that handle. It derived from my initials. When I put it together, my thinking was a bow as in a bow and arrow.

Unfortunately, according to the rules of this forum, which I understand, it cannot be changed.

Thanks for asking and hopefully others will see this post.

At the bottom of the page click on (contact us). Open a ticket requesting a username change.

 

[BOW2me]

At the bottom of the page click on (contact us). Open a ticket requesting a username change.

Thanks for the info. I tried numerous times to create a ticket to change my username from BOW2me to WOB. Each attempt failed due to my inability to enter a "valid message". If anyone has a solution for my username problem, please post it or start a a conversation with me to help me succeed.

 

[Tigger45]

Thanks for the info. I tried numerous times to create a ticket to change my username from BOW2me to WOB. Each attempt failed due to my inability to enter a "valid message". If anyone has a solution for my username problem, please post it or start a a conversation with me to help me succeed.

It was probably because your post count and likes weren’t sufficient 20 & 5. Now it shows you’ve met those requirements I’d suggest you try it again. Hope that helps.

 

[BOW2me]

It was probably because your post count and likes weren’t sufficient 20 & 5. Now it shows you’ve met those requirements I’d suggest you try it again. Hope that helps.

Thanks, I will.

 

[Paul4JC]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

Of course. Have you never tried it? Would it hurt to do so? How?

Yes it helps to pray for the dead. It's no different than praying for the living. II Maccabees 12 has an example of prayers for the dead, and Paul himself said of Onesiphorus after he died, "The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day...".

Yes that Day, till then we pray.

Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

It's not a converter belt that right after death you a judged. Much can happen in Sheol/Hades. Pray. The underworld of the dead is as real as the earth we live on.

Nope His Word says the dead know nothing....

Ecclesiastes 9:5

Jesus said that Lazurus and the rich man knew quite a lot. Luke 16.

 

[returntosender]

Thanks, I will.

You have to have 45000, points to make a name change. Thats what I'm trying to do. They should fix it soon.

 

[BOW2me]

You have to have 45000, points to make a name change. Thats what I'm trying to do. They should fix it soon.

Appreciate your help.

 

[public hermit]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

I think it helps. Don't forget, Paul mentions having baptisms for the dead. That would include prayer, ipso facto....

 

[BOW2me]

I think it helps. Don't forget, Paul mentions having baptisms for the dead. That would include prayer, ipso facto....

Copied from my post #15:
The church in Corinth was in a state of doctrinal confusion - they were a mess!

(1Co 1:10 KJV) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
(1Co 1:11 KJV) For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

(1Co 15:12 KJV) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

One of the issues dealt with whether or not the dead are raised. He is arguing that if they do not believe in the resurrection, why bother being baptized for them. He is not endorsing nor condoning it.

Your statement: "Therefore, the idea of praying for them is okay because the dead are raised to life."

While you are correct in that the dead souls are raised, they are not all raised to spend eternity in heaven - life. The children of Satan are raised to spend eternity in hell, the second death.

(Rev 21:8 KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[RileyG]

Yes. God is outside of time and can use our prayers to benefit anyone- including the dead. I pray for the dead copiously- they need to be remembered in our prayers.

 

[RileyG]

Yes it helps to pray for the dead. It's no different than praying for the living. II Maccabees 12 has an example of prayers for the dead, and Paul himself said of Onesiphorus after he died, "The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day...".

Amen.

 

[public hermit]

He is arguing that if they do not believe in the resurrection, why bother being baptized for them. He is not endorsing nor condoning it.

You're imposing that assumption onto the text. In itself, the text does not indicate approval or disapproval. He simply states that if there is no resurrection, there's no point in having a baptism for the dead. Granted there's no other mention of the practice; we just don't know.

 

[disciple Clint]

I have regrets that I used that handle. It derived from my initials. When I put it together, my thinking was a bow as in a bow and arrow.

Unfortunately, according to the rules of this forum, which I understand, it cannot be changed.

Thanks for asking and hopefully others will see this post.

Just an idea I think you may be able to replace a "a new member" with a "a new archer" or something that explains it.

 

[prodromos]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

We are commanded to love one another and if we are all one body in Christ then those who have died in Christ's body are still members of that same body. We cannot judge where they stand before Christ but out of love for them we pray for them that God will have mercy on them. We do not know how our prayers may affect their salvation. All we can do is trust God and pray for mercy, and since we are doing what Christ commanded then no ill can come of it.

 

[Tolworth John]

It's not a converter belt that right after death you a judged. Much can happen in Sheol/Hades. Pray. The underworld of the dead is as real as the earth we live on.

God is outside of time, it is part of his creation.
So Jesus's ' today you will be with me in paradise ' and the ' then comes judgement!'
Are imposible to our time bound minds, but perfectly possible for a God who created time.

 

[Paul4JC]

God is outside of time, it is part of his creation.
So Jesus's ' today you will be with me in paradise ' and the ' then comes judgement!'
Are imposible to our time bound minds, but perfectly possible for a God who created time.

I used to think more along the lines of time, but now I think more along the lines of dimensions. The heavens above, the earth, and the underworld(sheol) below, aka hades, the place of the dead. Yes, Christ holds the keys. Rev 1:18

 

[Bob Crowley]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

The OP's question eliminates some responses by the insertion of the word "lost".

Had the question simply asked if it helps to pray for the dead, it depends on where they are.

If they're in Heaven, they don't need our prayers. But since we don't know if they're in Heaven, and may still be in Purgatory, then maybe prayers are still required.

Our prayers can help if they're in Purgatory.

If they're in Hell, and therefore lost as per the OP's question, then prayers are a waste of time. But again we don't know if they're in Hell, and they could be in Purgatory, so maybe it's still worth praying for them.

Obviously this is a Catholic take, but I think some Protestants are too black and white in their expectations. There was another post about whether Jeffrey Dahmer really became a Christian. Apparently all he had to do was say he believed in Christ, and he would get in just as easily as someone who had lived a godly life for 90 years, despite his murders, cannibalism and fetishism, no questions asked. He could turn up at the Pearly Gates and if St. Peter were to use Australian vernacular, all he'd get is a "She'll be right mate! Just bring your prawns to the barby! No clean up necessary!"

I don't think so.

Since we don't know where they are, then prayers can be helpful.

How To Pray For Those In Purgatory? | Simply Catholic.

We pray for the souls in purgatory because they are undergoing the final purifications that are necessary for most of us after we die. This is because Scripture says of heaven: “nothing unclean will enter it” (Rv 21:27).

The more vigorous text comes from St. Paul, who speaks of a fiery purgation the dead will pass through on the day of judgment: Each one’s work will become manifest, “for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:13-15).

I don't think Mr. Dahmer's work would have resisted the fire very well. I think he might be there for a long time, if he did genuinely become Christian.

 

[IoanC]

Personally, I believe life continues after death. So, there is no big difference praying for "the dead". They are still alive, and in a way still "here".

 

[RileyG]

Personally, I believe life continues after death. So, there is no big difference praying for "the dead". They are still alive, and in a way still "here".

AMEN! Our God is the God of the living.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Answers may be divided by religion...But the Bible states when your dead ...you're dead.
Pray for people while they are alive.

Don't forget Mark 12:27 "He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are greatly misled.”