Prayers for the dead

[returntosender]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

 

[sandman]

Answers may be divided by religion...But the Bible states when your dead ...you're dead.
Pray for people while they are alive.

 

[HTacianas]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

Yes it helps to pray for the dead. It's no different than praying for the living. II Maccabees 12 has an example of prayers for the dead, and Paul himself said of Onesiphorus after he died, "The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day...".

 

[returntosender]

Answers may be divided by religion...But the Bible states when your dead ...you're dead.
Pray for people while they are alive.

Yes, I feel that way also. After the judgment it can't be turned around to satisfy a prayer. I do know the Mormons believe you can but there's more to it for them. I don't remember the other part of it

 

[BOW2me]

Answers may be divided by religion...But the Bible states when your dead ...you're dead.
Pray for people while they are alive.

Where in the bible does it say "When you're dead...your dead."?

I believe the bible teaches these different types of death and the results of each:
Spiritual death - separated from God because of sin as a natural person is.
Physical death - separated from awareness of the physical world.
Eternal death - result of dying physically while spiritually dead.

Prayers for someone after they physically die is of no effect on their eternal state. The die of the dead is cast!!

There are also three types of life:
Spiritual life - the result of being born again
Physical life - aware of physical stimulus
Eternal life - the result of dying physically while being alive spiritually

 

[disciple Clint]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

OK lets look at this, if we are saved by faith which I believe to be true, or even if we are saved by faith and works which some believe, how will our praying provide more faith or works for someone who is dead? We are judged upon our death not at some future time. The fact that prayers were said for the dead under Judaism in the O.T. and still are in that religion has nothing to do with the Christian religion imho.

 

[Tolworth John]

Where in the bible does it say "When you're dead...your dead."

Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

 

[returntosender]

Yes it helps to pray for the dead. It's no different than praying for the living. II Maccabees 12 has an example of prayers for the dead, and Paul himself said of Onesiphorus after he died, "The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day...".

It would have to come before their judgment, right?

 

[BOW2me]

Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

(Heb 9:15 KJV) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Yes, humans die physically once. God's children spend eternity with Him - the essence of life.

Otherwise, when the spiritually dead die physically, they spend eternity separated form God. That is eternal death.

(Rom 6:23 KJV) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

(Rev 20:6 KJV) Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(Rev 21:8 KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Joined2krist]

1 Cor.15:29 St Paul suggested that the idea of baptizing for the dead was okay because they will be raised to life. Therefore, the idea of praying for them is okay because the dead are raised to life.

 

[returntosender]

1 Cor.15:29 St Paul suggested that the idea of baptizing for the dead was okay because they will be raised to life. Therefore, the idea of praying for them is okay because the dead are raised to life.

That wouldn't work for a prayer for salvation though?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No one knows if a soul is lost.

Even the Catholic Church doesn't state that a particular soul is in hell.
Judgement is for God alone. Even Hitler isn't said to be in hell or not.
He may be, or he may not, only God knows.

So, praying for any soul is worthy.

 

[Joined2krist]

That wouldn't work for a prayer for salvation though?

It would.

 

[John Caldwell]

It would have to come before their judgment, right?

It would have to come before their physical death. Consider Luke 16. What determines our existence after death is our existence prior to death.

 

[BOW2me]

1 Cor.15:29 St Paul suggested that the idea of baptizing for the dead was okay because they will be raised to life. Therefore, the idea of praying for them is okay because the dead are raised to life.

The church in Corinth was in a state of doctrinal confusion - they were a mess!

(1Co 1:10 KJV) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
(1Co 1:11 KJV) For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

(1Co 15:12 KJV) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

One of the issues dealt with whether or not the dead are raised. He is arguing that if they do not believe in the resurrection, why bother being baptized for them. He is not endorsing nor condoning it.

Your statement: "Therefore, the idea of praying for them is okay because the dead are raised to life."

While you are correct in that the dead souls are raised, they are not all raised to spend eternity in heaven - life. The children of Satan are raised to spend eternity in hell, the second death.

(Rev 21:8 KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[eleos1954]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

Nope His Word says the dead know nothing....

Ecclesiastes 9:5

King James Bible
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[Blade]

Does it help to pray for the lost after they pass?

This prayers for the dead (not really praying for the dead) taken form the OT and from what I have read has been really twisted. There is no scripture to back it up. We know we that believe in Jesus Christ the only way to the Father when we die are with Him. As Christ said to the thief today you will be with me in paradise. So since there is no scripture for it.

Depends on what you personally believe. Every time I go searching no matter what I know. Some will defend this saying "Gods people have always prayed for the dead and its "Christians" that say you should not". And in reading this huge long article you are very hard pressed to find any scripture backing this up. One would think it would be upfront. Just one scripture " one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

One would think Judaism those that follow the Torah would know better then all yet they do not pray for the dead. Some of those "prayers" they pray that some will bring up do not touch death or dying It always in my searching comes back to Catholics. Meaning they believe in praying for the dead. I just can't find it. I find more about not ever doing this.

 

[returntosender]

The church in Corinth was in a state of doctrinal confusion - they were a mess!

(1Co 1:10 KJV) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
(1Co 1:11 KJV) For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

(1Co 15:12 KJV) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

One of the issues dealt with whether or not the dead are raised. He is arguing that if they do not believe in the resurrection, why bother being baptized for them. He is not endorsing nor condoning it.

Your statement: "Therefore, the idea of praying for them is okay because the dead are raised to life."

While you are correct in that the dead souls are raised, they are not all raised to spend eternity in heaven - life. The children of Satan are raised to spend eternity in hell, the second death.

(Rev 21:8 KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Do you mind my asking what's behind your handle. Are you asking us to bow to you?
Sorry that it bothers me enough to ask. No offense intended.
Btw,. WELCOME TO CF!!

 

[BOW2me]

Do you mind my asking what's behind your handle. Are you asking us to bow to you?
Sorry that it bothers me enough to ask. No offense intended.
Btw,. WELCOME TO CF!!

I have regrets that I used that handle. It derived from my initials. When I put it together, my thinking was a bow as in a bow and arrow.

Unfortunately, according to the rules of this forum, which I understand, it cannot be changed.

Thanks for asking and hopefully others will see this post.

 

[Lukaris]

The Lord says God is of the living and has His great commandments follow it. So I believe we should pray for all.

see Matthew 22:31-40, 1 Timothy 2:1-6.