Prayer for Israel?

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Are we supposed to pray for the state of Israel and the Jews to receive blessings or is that a myth?

 

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Are we supposed to pray for the state of Israel and the Jews to receive blessings or is that a myth?

Well here it says we should do this

1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

1Ti2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

I just include them in the all category, being a house of prayer for all nations so to speak, I know Paul said it was his desired that Isreal be saved

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Does that help any? I mean we could say, who is my neighbor, or who is Isreal too, but Paul spake of his kismen according to the flesh as well right?

 

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Well here it says we should do this

1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

1Ti2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

I just include them in the all category, being a house of prayer for all nations so to speak, I know Paul said it was his desired that Isreal be saved

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Does that help any? I mean we could say, who is my neighbor, or who is Isreal too, but Paul spake of his kismen according to the flesh as well right?

But did the ''state'' of Israel exist when Paul wrote his epistles?

I think in Romans 10,Paul may have been referring to Israel,as a people,not as a ''state''.

Do priests say we have to pray to this ''state'' or is that a myth?

 

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But did the ''state'' of Israel exist when Paul wrote his epistles?

I think in Romans 10,Paul may have been referring to Israel,as a people,not as a ''state''.

Do priests say we have to pray to this ''state'' or is that a myth?

I thought it was a nation, not sure about the state thing to be honest, only that we should be a house of prayer for all nations, which to me is praying for all men (everywhere) not really the dirt they occupy, thats just the boundaries of their habitation as far as I see it.

I try to keep it simple

 

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I thought it was a nation, not sure about the state thing to be honest, only that we should be a house of prayer for all nations, which to me is praying for all men (everywhere) not really the dirt they occupy, thats just the boundaries of their habitation as far as I see it.

I try to keep it simple

It's not a nation,only a ''state'' but people refer to it as a nation.
You can actually go to Wikipedia and the first words you see when you type in ''Israel'' is...
The State of Israel

 

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It's not a nation,only a ''state'' but people refer to it as a nation.
You can actually go to Wikipedia and the first words you see when you type in ''Israel'' is...
The State of Israel

What is the difference between a state and a nation

You dont pray for the united states? I do, look how they define states there. I pray for the state for which I live, prayer for all men.

Now, I cant find the word state (as its used) in scripture, I see nation, and nations and that word used for the same.

For example here...

John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Acts 24:17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.

Acts 26:4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;

Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

 

[sleepingdog]

What is the difference between a state and a nation

You dont pray for the united states? I do, look how they define states there. I pray for the state for which I live, prayer for all men.

Now, I cant find the word state (as its used) in scripture, I see nation, and nations and that word used for the same.

For example here...

John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Acts 24:17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.

Acts 26:4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;

Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

John 11:52:And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Scattered abroad in John 11:52,in the Strong's Greek is...

1287. diaskorpizo dee-as-kor-pid'-zo from 1223 and 4650; to dissipate, i.e. (genitive case) to rout or separate; specially, to winnow; figuratively, to squander:--disperse, scatter (abroad), strew, waste.

''Scattered abroad'' is also found in James.

James 1:1:James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

But in Strong's Greek the meaning is...

1290. diaspora dee-as-por-ah' from 1289; dispersion, i.e. (specially and concretely) the (converted) Israelite resident in Gentile countries:--(which are) scattered (abroad).

John 11:52 can it be a reference to the diaspora?

 

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I dont know what you mean, all I know is that he was to die for that nation and not that nation ONLY

Same wording here...

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours ONLY, but ALSO for the sins of the whole world.

 

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I dont know what you mean, all I know is that he was to die for that nation and not that nation ONLY

Same wording here...

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours ONLY, but ALSO for the sins of the whole world.

[FONT=&quot]What I mean was that, ''Scattered abroad'' could it have been a reference to the diaspora?[/FONT]

 

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[FONT=&quot]What I mean was that, ''Scattered abroad'' could it have been a reference to the diaspora?[/FONT]

They acknowledge the dispersed here

John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

 

[sleepingdog]

They acknowledge the dispersed here

John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

Gentiles in that passage is translated in Strong's Greek...


1672. Hellen hel'-lane from 1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew:-- Gentile, Greek.

1671. Hellas hel-las' of uncertain affinity; Hellas (or Greece), a country of Europe:--Greece.

Dispersed is translated in Strong's Greek...

1290. diaspora dee-as-por-ah' from 1289; dispersion, i.e. (specially and concretely) the (converted) Israelite resident in Gentile countries:--(which are) scattered (abroad).

Who were the dispersed? The Assyrian Captives,right?

Did they think Jesus was going to dispersed Israel?

 

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Maybe if you try to keep it simple, and just pray for all men, would that work better for you?

 

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Maybe if you try to keep it simple, and just pray for all men, would that work better for you?

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I've heard that we are supposed to pray for ''Israel'',is that myth or fact,to receive blessings or something etc etc?
That we should not stand AGAINST Israel,if we do stand against Israel,is it wrong?

 

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I've heard that we are supposed to pray for ''Israel'' is that myth or fact,to receive blessings or something etc etc?
That we should not stand AGAINST Israel,if we do stand against Israel,is it wrong?

Romans 11:2 Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Couldnt resist that one

It didnt hurt Elias any in making intercessions against them

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

But Paul says his hearts desire and prayer to God was for them

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Would that be mythical for Paul to have that hearts desire?

Know what I mean? I mean I can say to Jesus, well WHO is my neighbor (since we are to love our neighbor) but it says he was doing that to justify himself. Could be doing the same with Israel, people can go back and forth on it all they like

But we cant get around these things, he says...

Mat 5:44-45But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Whether considered friend or enemy (depending on whatever camp one is in) wouldnt excuse us from Jesus words wouldnt it?

 

[sleepingdog]

Romans 11:2 Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Couldnt resist that one

It didnt hurt Elias any in making intercessions against them

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

But Paul says his hearts desire and prayer to God was for them

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Would that be mythical for Paul to have that hearts desire?

Know what I mean? I mean I can say to Jesus, well WHO is my neighbor (since we are to love our neighbor) but it says he was doing that to justify himself. Could be doing the same with Israel, people can go back and forth on it all they like

But we cant get around these things, he says...

Mat 5:44-45But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Whether considered friend or enemy (depending on whatever camp one is in) wouldnt excuse us from Jesus words wouldnt it?

I think Paul may have been praying for the Israel people(Matthew 15:24)not the modern state.
Israel was God's people right? And they still are...

 

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I think Paul may have been praying for the Israel people(Matthew 15:24)not the modern state.
Israel was God's people right? And they still are...

He sure wasnt praying for the dirt, but people, those who occupy that dirt today were not alive for him to pray for, he just tells the body of Christ to pray for all men.

 

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Are we supposed to pray for the state of Israel and the Jews to receive blessings or is that a myth?

Pray for all nations and for all people.

There is no reason to single out the modern secular state of Israel for special prayer above any other nation. It's no more special than Canada, Uganda or India.

Also, don't conflate the modern state of Israel with the Jewish people. The Jewish people are the Jewish people and live everywhere, including Israel, but the two are in no way whatsoever identical.

-CryptoLutheran