praise music?

[Iosias]

Dear AV1611


How would you explain the spiritual songs?
Johan

Songs of the spirit note that what follows is the more important part of the verse: "in your hearts"

 

[Iosias]

AV1611 what does your church do?

It depends. In the morning service which lasts around an hour we break the bread. We have three Hymn books a Believer's Hymn Book, a Remembrence Hymn Book and one more which I have forgotten the name of ( I have not been attending very long). The Believer's and Remembrence Hymns and used in the Breaking of the Bread service and are sung without music.

In the Gospel meeting in the evening we use the Hymns from the book I cannot remember the name of and that is sung with organ music.

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

Yupp Thats right by golly and know what else isn't mentioned?

Lets look at the Tanach (Old Testement) for a moment:
1Sa 24:3 He came to the sheep pens by the way, where was a cave; and Sha'ul went in to relieve himself. Now David and his men were abiding in the innermost parts of the cave.

So apparently going to the bathroom was acceptable in old testement times. I mean since it is mentioned and all.

However my research has revealed that NO WHERE in the New Testement does any one go to the bathroom. Nope not one time is it mentioned or even encouraged.

Henceforth all good men and wommen of the faith should imediately stop going to the bathroom. I have personally locked the toilet in the church and there will be no more of this unseemly and unscriptural activity in my church or in my home.


psssssst

Just because something is not specifically mentioned in the Brit Chadassa (New Testement) doesn't mean it wasn't a common practice nor that it is ungodly.

Blessings

Pastor George

PG

 

[LilBrat4him]

I think that some of it is ok

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

I think something that is kind of interesting is Andy Stanley's (Charles Stanley's son) church, well their praise band, 722, played a whole set of Hoobastank songs to draw in teenagers and then explained the gospel to them.

 

[Blazin4Christ]

theologically it is fine in my opinion, as long as it isn't "Modern rock praise", if it is like occapello(SP?), or just with a light guitar and piano is fine, but some praise I don't liek if it is to emotional or too carnal, a simple Biblical insight about music for Christians...

COlossions 3:16 - Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Basically this verse says three things to me personally...

#1. that praise music is to praise God Biblically,
#2. That praise music can be a testimony praising God,
#3. That praise music should be spiritual,

thats my 2 cents

 

[SumTinWong]

I think something that is kind of interesting is Andy Stanley's (Charles Stanley's son) church, well their praise band, 722, played a whole set of Hoobastank songs to draw in teenagers and then explained the gospel to them.

Yeah hoobastank. They sang that wondeful old Gospel song:
Out of Control...
"i've done everything as you say, i followed your rules without question
i though it would help me see things clearly
but instead of helping me to see, i look around and it's like i'm blinded
i don't wanna live like this so can you tell me?

where should i go? what should i do?
i don't understand what you want from me
'cause i don't know if i can trust you
or all of the things you've said to me
and i may never know the answer to this endless mystery
where should i go? what should i do?
i don't understand what you want from me

i feel like i'm spinning out of control, try to focus but everythings twisted
and all along i thought you would be there
to let me know i'm not alone but in fact thats exactly what i was
all alone and spinning out of control. out of control....."

Anyway, if that were me I would be ticked off at the bait and switch.

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

Although the bait and switch would probably upset some, I still like what 722 did.

 

[Adammi]

In the NT church there were no musical intruments used. Secondly,

Ephesians 5:19 "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"

Colossians 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."

No where is praise and worship music condoned.

Nor is it Condemned.
Define hymns and spiritual songs. They didn't have Amazing Grace, or any of the songs that you or I am familiar with.

 

[Adammi]

It depends. In the morning service which lasts around an hour we break the bread. We have three Hymn books a Believer's Hymn Book, a Remembrence Hymn Book and one more which I have forgotten the name of ( I have not been attending very long). The Believer's and Remembrence Hymns and used in the Breaking of the Bread service and are sung without music.

In the Gospel meeting in the evening we use the Hymns from the book I cannot remember the name of and that is sung with organ music.

ORGANS!?!?! No not you AV, those satanic, ungodly, demonic, and unscriptual things. TSK TSK TSK.

 

[Vessel Of Mercy]

Can the majority of us agree at least that praise choruses, hymns, psalms, and spiritual songs must all be biblical in content and the whole of them, sung by a group of believers, over time, should contain proper lyrics and express a proper attitude toward God?

My thought is that no matter what style of music, whatever we sing to the Lord must be correct, biblically. Whatever songs lack in right doctrine or attitude, whether hymns, praise choruses, etc., we should not sing. I generally prefer hymns over any other type of music in church, but I wouldn't say it's wrong to have other kinds of music, because there are quite a few praise choruses that are both doctrinal and have lyrics that genuinely take our true state before God into consideration.

What I do not like are unbiblical hymns in my Baptist Hymnal, songs that have proud lyrics, and songs that overemphasize some aspects of God or Christianity, such as the love of God in Christ, and dismiss God's other attributes or other truths of His Word.

I think something that is kind of interesting is Andy Stanley's (Charles Stanley's son) church, well their praise band, 722, played a whole set of Hoobastank songs to draw in teenagers and then explained the gospel to them.

That seriously offends me because Hoobastank just sucks. There's no arguing that.

Grace and peace to all of you in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ben

 

[Miss Mayberry]

Can the majority of us agree at least that praise choruses, hymns, psalms, and spiritual songs must all be biblical in content and the whole of them, sung by a group of believers, over time, should contain proper lyrics and express a proper attitude toward God?

I certainly can.

Teehee...praise and worship music.. something I've a pretty strong opinion on.

Hymns really don't appeal to me. I feel like I'm just singing the words -- my heart is not in it. I'm a teenager, so what I just said should come as no surprise. I don't feel that praise and worship music has absolutely NO place in the church. If it expresses your sentiments towards God, if it uplifts and encourages you, if it humbles you, if it 'praises and worships' the Lord, regardless of beat, genre, etc., it has a place in the church.

Praise and worship music also sends out a more modern statement:

Wilt Thou be made whole?
Do you want a new life?
Wilt thou be made whole?
And believe in Christ
Do you want to be washed?
As white as the snow
God's question to you
Wilt thou be made whole?

Compare the above to the following:

If only my one heart
Was all you'd gain from all it cost
Well I know you would have still been a man
With a reason
To willingly offer your life

I am not just a man, vastly lost in this world
Lost in a Sea of Faces
Your body's the bread, Your blood is the wine
Because you traded Your life for mine

[bible]Psalms 150:3-5[/bible]

I say... worship God your way. My way just isn't with hymns. But if that's YOUR way, then that's great! Break the mold.

-Amanda

 

[Vessel Of Mercy]

Amanda, I've always been interested in singing the Psalter, but never had the opportunity during a service, so I can only do it privately. It is an inspired response to God, after all.

 

[johan777]

God is really not into a specific form of worship , but the manner we worship Him.

Mat 15:8 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Mat 15:9 Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.'"
Phi 3:3 For it is we who are the circumcision-we who worship in the Spirit of God and boast in Christ Jesus. We have not placed any confidence in the flesh,

Joh 4:23 Yet the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Indeed, the Father is looking for people like that to worship him.

Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

 

[Glorified]

IMO, if the music touches your heart to a point of singing it, clapping to it, smiling, raising your hands, getting chills etc... Then this is a form of worship that pleases God. As long as you can feel Jesus in your heart and this makes you happy, then you are praising and worshipping God period.

I'm curious, why do we use scripture in every single thing that we disagree with to back up our argument when some of it doesn't apply today? Do we in our society still stone people? Crucify people? Eye for an eye? Yet we still do it time and time again to prove our points. I'm certain that there's tons of scripture that does apply still today and that we must abide by it. I'm not doubting that, but it seems that when a disagreement arises everyone starts throwing scripture around as a defense weapon.

IMO, God just wants you to love and adore him as he does each and everyone of us. God sacrificed his only son for us. I look at my son and ask if I could ever do that. Do I love people that much to sacrifice my son whom I love with all my heart. I don't know the answer to that and that scares me.

I think that we sometimes seem to get away from the big picture. We're doing this for God, not our Churches, not for each other, not to prove our points, it's just for God period. Everything else is meaningless.

I feel the Bible is here to teach us how to love God, ourselves, and each other period.

Thank you God for what you have done for us and thank you Jesus for doing it. You are truly awesome.

I hope this makes sense, I'm kind of scatter brained this morning.

 

[CelineDion]

organs arent in the New Testament. So why are you using them Oh my friend how you have just contridicted yourself. AV1611 its not that we all dont like you its just that we dont see your spiritual logic in ONLY listening to the new testament. That makes no sense. God gave us His whole book for a reason do you think we would have had the Old Testament if it wasnt needed? I mean its only logical.

 

[eldermike]

I pray that one day we will concern ourselves with what we do outside the church. Go, is our commission, how you come together to spur one another on to good works is not actually church anyway, YOU are the church, everywhere you GO!

And, God need not be protected from music, He is not trapped in your building.

 

[CelineDion]

Amen Glorified

 

[ZiSunka]

Why does anyone have to tell anyone what kind of music to praise God with??

When did God make any human the determiner of what kind of music He likes?

 

[CelineDion]

i agree lambslove