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The he is Jesus which is actually in Heaven sitting at the right hand of God.I don't think so. If you think differently then you are going to have to explain who the he is in 2thessalonians2:7 with some biblical based rationale.
The he is Jesus. He - the body of Christ, the church, is what is going to be taken out of the way before the man of sin is revealed.
The he is Jesus which is actually in Heaven sitting at the right hand of God.
The man of sin is Satan....
Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 tell us about what will happen when Satan will be unleashed on the earth...when the he will let the man of sin....
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The he is not the Church on the Earth.The he is in Heaven.But you didn't address this part (in blue) of 2Thessalonians2:7. The man of sin will not be revealed until the "he" be taken out of the way - Plug in your identification of the "he".
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he [Christ] who now letteth will let,
Jesus was already in heaven when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians. So the "he", to be taken out of the way, cannot be Jesus Himself, as Jesus is already in heaven.The he is not the Church on the Earth.The he is in Heaven.
what withhold the man of sin of being revealed is that God will decide the timing...of his revealing.Jesus was already in heaven when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians. So the He, to be taken out of the way, cannot be Jesus Himself, as Jesus is already in heaven.
It is his corporate body here on earth that will be taken out of the way. That's what with-holdeth the man of sin being revealed.... the rapture must take place first.
2Thessalonians2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Riberra, I am still stuck on why you think Jesus will be taken out of the way? Jesus is on His Throne in heaven. Who is going to take him out of the way? Jesus is in heaven.what withhold the man of sin of being revealed is that God will decide the timing...of his revealing.
The rapture is nothing more than our caught up and gathering in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air when Jesus will come on the Earth (Jesus second coming) Matthew 24:29-31)....Jesus will not return to heaven with us after His coming....we will be forever with Jesus to reign with Him here on the Earth.
The man of sin is Satan .Riberra, I am still stuck on why you think Jesus will be taken out of the way? Jesus is on His Throne in heaven. Who is going to take him out of the way? Jesus is in heaven.
The man of sin's act of going into the temple of God, sitting, claiming to be God - is here on earth.
The Lord Jesus Christ will allow the man of sin to go into the temple of God, sit, and claim to be God; but that is not the issue.The man of sin is Satan .
Who do you believe will decide that the time is come for the man of sin to be revealed in his time?
Who do you believe will let the man of sin (Satan) doing what he want on the Earth for a short time ?
This is all part of God's end times scenario before the Coming of Jesus and our gathering unto Him.
The Great Tribulation should start between now and 2018. 1948 + 70 = 2018. According to King David in Psalm 90:10, a generation is 70 years or so; and since Israel became a nation in 1948, I base it on "this generation shall see all these things come to pass" (Matt. 24). In addition to the events that have happened and are happening in the world now, the stage is being set in the Middle East, the economies of the world are about to tank and immorality has increased and corrupted the best of us over the last 50 years and so Judgment Day is imminent. We have seen better times, especially in America; times when the family was unified, when the country was united and prosperous, when "In God We Trust" meant something to everyone, when marriage was between a man and a woman, abortion illegal, when welfare didn't exist, drugs were rare and everyone was brought up with a work ethic that promised the American dream if you worked hard enough.
What should you do? That's the question and can only be answered for each individual by God's calling. He prepares for us what we should do, whether it is to evangelize, plant seeds, warn people, occupy till He comes or simply just give an answer, a testimony, some guidance to a neighbor that comes into your path with a question or in need of some help.
It's difficult to figure what God wants us to do (that is of course once you've been born again) beyond reading and studying the Bible, learning from a good pastor and attending church year after year, serving, loving one another, etc. I wrote a book about Christianity, I thought that was what God wanted me to do; but it didn't do well and lies dormant, so I'm not sure if it was really His purpose for me. So, it's confusing sometimes and personal, that is, what God wants you to do. 2.3 billion Christians all live different lives with different experiences that all contribute to the Body of Christ in some small way.
Jesus himself by the act of not restraining the man of sin which is Satan anymore...in due timeThe Lord Jesus Christ will allow the man of sin to go into the temple of God, sit, and claim to be God; but that is not the issue.
What is not making sense about your interpretation is that Jesus Himself has to be taken out of the way. Who is going to take Jesus out of the way?
The man of sin Satan is in Heaven untill Jesus decide that the time is come to let him go...And your interpretation also doesn't make sense also because Jesus is in Heaven, not here on earth where the audacious act will take place.
Jesus himself by the act of not restraining the man of sin which is Satan anymore...in due time
It is not the third heaven that Satan and his angels are cast down from, but the second heaven - which is the cosmos, the universe. Their place, the cosmos, not long afterward, at the sixth seal is going to be removed.The man of sin Satan is in Heaven untill Jesus decide that the time is come to let him go...
Revelation 12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Explain why Revelation 12:10 say that the accuser of our bethren ie Satan -is- in Heaven accusing our bethren day and night BEFORE God, and then is being cast out ?The he is taken out of the way. The man of sin who is going to commit the act is not in heaven. Satan is not in the third heaven, either.
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It is not the third heaven that Satan and his angels are cast down from, but the second heaven - which is the cosmos, the universe. Their place, the cosmos, not long afterward, at the sixth seal is going to be removed.
The man of sin will be known for sure ONLY when Satan will enter his body and carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.... Why do you think that Satan will quit the body of that person after that ?The man of sin is not Satan anyway. The person will be temporarily entered into by Satan to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - but that is only temporary.
Explain why Revelation 12:10 say that the accuser of our bethren ie Satan -is- in Heaven accusing our bethren day and night BEFORE God, and then is being cast out ?
Revelation 12:10
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethren is cast down, which accused them BEFORE our God day and night.
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12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Near the middle part of the seven years, after the person has been the Antichrist (illegimate King of Israel) for around 3 1/2 years, the man of sin, son of perdition - like Judas was called for his act of betrayal - will become convinced in his heart (magnified) that he has achieved God-hood. I get that from two places. In Daniel 8, about the little horn person. And in Ezekiel 28:1-10, which God has the prince of tyre (a code name for the man of sin) destroyed for becoming magnified in his heart for claiming to be God. Who, the person, "sits" among the seas (a metaphor for the mass of humanity).The man of sin will be known for sure ONLY when Satan will enter his body and carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.... Why do you think that Satan will quit the body of that person after that ?
Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Possible,noneless those dwelling in the third Heaven seem very happy the moment that Satan and his angels will be cast out... Revelation 12:12Satan can make a "court" appearance before the throne of God to make his accusations, but Satan is not allowed to roam freely in the third heaven, it is not his, nor his angels, abode.
Near the middle part of the seven years, after the person has been the Antichrist (illegimate King of Israel) for around 3 1/2 years, the man of sin, son of perdition - like Judas was called for his act of betrayal - will become convinced in his heart (magnified) that he has achieved God-hood. I get that from two places. In Daniel 8, about the little horn person. And in Ezekiel 28:1-10, which God has the prince of tyre (a code name for the man of sin) destroyed for becoming magnified in his heart for claiming to be God. Who, the person, "sits" among the seas (a metaphor for the mass of humanity).
The bible does not say what happens to the Abomination of Desolation image of the beast that comes to life and demands worship, but what the bible does say in Ezekiel 28, in referring to the king of Tyre (a code name for Satan), that he will be cast down to earth, and made visible to the kings of the earth, and made to be brought to ashes before them. Ezekiel 28:17-19 (an amazing set of verses).
The King of Tyre is just a code name, not that Satan was the literal king of Tyre.The King of Tyre was Satan himself demonstrated by the setence -Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God-Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;-Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. indetifying Satan as the man of sin the son of perdition- God sentenced Satan which is the man of sin to destruction in verses 16-19 this will happen after the millennium.
Do you believe that the physical King of Tyre was the one that God refers as >Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; (Ezekiel 28:11-16) ?The King of Tyre is just a code name, not that Satan was the literal king of Tyre.
The man of sin the son of perdition is a code name for Satan.In the first half of Ezekiel 28, the message is to the Prince of Tyre - who God has ]killed for claiming to be God. The Prince of Tyre is a code name for the Antichrist, the man of sin....
Same pattern,same desire to be as God and take the place of God on His seat ...the body of the Prince of Tyre was posseded by Satan...2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
Satan can appear as a man as well as an angel of light.All angels good or bad have that capacity of shape shifting in human form.Keep that in mind when come the time to interpret the end time scenario which will have for players:Satan on the other hand is not a man, but an angel, who fell because of self adulation pride....
Do you believe that the physical King of Tyre was the one that God refers as >Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; (Ezekiel 28:11-16) ?
Why?Satan was most likely possessing the body of the King of Tyre ,the same way that Satan was possessing the body of Judas Iscariot when Judas betrayed Jesus for some pieces of money...-Thus the reference to the man of sin -
Can't be, unless you think Judas was Satan, as well.The man of sin the son of perdition is a code name for Satan.
No-one succeeds the prince of Tyre because it is talking about the man of sin, the Antichrist.Same pattern,same desire to be as God and take the place of God on His seat ...the body of the Prince of Tyre was posseded by Satan...
Who is the man who have succeeded to the prince of Tyre after that he was killed ?Surely the one who became the King of Tyre.
That doesn't mean that Satan will be born into this world, grow up and become the man of sin.Satan can appear as a man as well as an angel of light.All angels good or bad have that capacity of shape shifting in human form.Keep that in mind when come the time to interpret the end time scenario which will have for players:
The beast is not an angel. The person called the beast in Revelation 13 will have been born into this world, grows up, and become the Antichrist, then afterward the beast. The beast is not just going to sudden appear from nowhere as a full grown adult.-The beast coming from the bottomless pit ,is one of the chief angels that were cast into the bottomless pit (who have participted into what is described in Genesis 6:1-4) who will became the AC in human form at some point after the 6th seal events .He will appear on the world scene as a great man of peace leading to the union of the World into a one world government and one world religion.
I can live with that ... another 10 years to enjoy my retirement. I just think now that we have a choice between to evils: Trump VS. Hillary, the end must surely be near. This what America deserves I guess. Obama was the first wave of judgment with the recession. He also set the stage in the Middle East for the GT and ISIS is surely a BEAST.I believe "these things" was referring to the false Christs and the deceived; the wars, the famines, and the earthquakes; the severe Christian persecution (genocide) and apostasy; the gospel reaching every nation, tribe and tongue; the abomination that causes desolation; the signs in the heavenly bodies;
the false returns of Christ... not Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. When Jesus gave this prophecy, He didn't focus on Israel too much.
I still think we have a little ways to go, although it's happening fast.
There's a prophecy in Hosea 5:14-6:3 that suggests Messiah will go away until the Jewish revival. "After two days" they are revived, and then they are restored. Perhaps the revival of Israel will take place as early as 2,000 years after Jesus departed, and His return would be soon after that. 2,000 years after Jesus left is believed to be 2033, so I don't think the Tribulation can start until 2027 at the earliest.
Agreed....
Do you know what a satanic possession mean ?Why?
Can't be, unless you think Judas was Satan, as well.
You mean that the prince of Tyre was the antichrist...and that Judas was the Antichrist ?No-one succeeds the prince of Tyre because it is talking about the man of sin, the Antichrist.
Satan at the mid-point of the tribulation will enter the body of whomever will personify the AC.That doesn't mean that Satan will be born into this world, grow up and become the man of sin.
The beast is not an angel. The person called the beast in Revelation 13 will have been born into this world, grows up, and become the Antichrist, then afterward the beast.
I have not said that he will appear out of nowhere ....i said he will be known ("appear"/being presented) on the public scene as a great man of peace having the solutions to solve the humanity problems...The beast is not just going to sudden appear from nowhere as a full grown adult.
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