Power Prayer

[Haipule]

Aloha CF:

Last year I lived in Palm Beach County FL when Hurrican Matthew showed up. A few days before THEE day, the computer models had that storm wiping out the entire Eastern Seaboard from Florida to Maine! So I immediately went to a Christian Forum(not this one) and wrote a prayer.

I prayed to the Father in the fame of Jesus just as Jesus had told His disciples:

"Father, You are the Sovereign of the universe and have the power and authority to rebuke weather!"(fame)

Then I let my request be known, as we are told:

"I command and demand you Father to kick that storm back out to sea and render it harmless!!!"

Then I gave the amEn:

"SO-BE-IT!"

Yet, many people were upset about my language saying, "you can't 'command' and 'demand' God!" Do people realize that when Jesus taught the disciples to pray, Jesus used the imperative mood of command? He did not say, "give us this day our daily bread." He said, "GIVE!" as a command!

The forum owner gave me the, "amen" and they all jumped on her! You see, she lived in Daytona Beach FL.

The morning of that storms arrival: the models had that storm right in my face as a CAT 4 DIRECT HIT!

I was as ready as I could be and waited, and waited. Then I saw on the news that the storm, at the last moment, did the sweetest little dance around Palm Beach County! It stayed off the coast until Northern FL! In PB we had hardly a drop of rain or even a breeze! The next day, no one there could believe it!

That was not a day for, "If it be Your will". That was a day to go BOLDLY to the throne of God!!!

Only to His glory, Bill

 

[Matthew B]

Aloha CF:

Last year I lived in Palm Beach County FL when Hurrican Matthew showed up. A few days before THEE day, the computer models had that storm wiping out the entire Eastern Seaboard from Florida to Maine! So I immediately went to a Christian Forum(not this one) and wrote a prayer.

I prayed to the Father in the fame of Jesus just as Jesus had told His disciples:

"Father, You are the Sovereign of the universe and have the power and authority to rebuke weather!"(fame)

Then I let my request be known, as we are told:

"I command and demand you Father to kick that storm back out to sea and render it harmless!!!"

Then I gave the amEn:

"SO-BE-IT!"

Yet, many people were upset about my language saying, "you can't 'command' and 'demand' God!" Do people realize that when Jesus taught the disciples to pray, Jesus used the imperative mood of command? He did not say, "give us this day our daily bread." He said, "GIVE!" as a command!

The forum owner gave me the, "amen" and they all jumped on her! You see, she lived in Daytona Beach FL.

The morning of that storms arrival: the models had that storm right in my face as a CAT 4 DIRECT HIT!

I was as ready as I could be and waited, and waited. Then I saw on the news that the storm, at the last moment, did the sweetest little dance around Palm Beach County! It stayed off the coast until Northern FL! In PB we had hardly a drop of rain or even a breeze! The next day, no one there could believe it!

That was not a day for, "If it be Your will". That was a day to go BOLDLY to the throne of God!!!

Only to His glory, Bill

I remember Jesus giving a command directly to the storm/water without even speaking of the Father. I think it is also important to remember that when people say the daily prayer, they first say Dear Heavenly Father, Hallowed be your Name. I feel weird about commanding God to do anything honestly especially demanding. Not to condemn you or anything. Just my thoughts.

 

[Haipule]

I remember Jesus giving a command directly to the storm/water without even speaking of the Father. I think it is also important to remember that when people say the daily prayer, they first say Dear Heavenly Father, Hallowed be your Name. I feel weird about commanding God to do anything honestly especially demanding. Not to condemn you or anything. Just my thoughts.

That's great! I'll give you some background from Jesus teaching the disciples how to pray. Every "!" is the imperative mood of command in Greek:

The Lord’s Prayer

Luke 11

Hyper-Literal: And-also it-comes-to-pass(happens)* in thee to-be Him(Jesus)-same in that (2)certain (1)place, (3-)One-always-toward(Jesus always well-wished/prayed/communicated with God in the 1st person plural)-well-wishing(middle-passive) as He-ceased(finished, acting upon Himself)*, he-says*, certain-one of-thee students of-Him-same, toward Him-same, “Master!, be!-you-teaching* us to-toward(united)-well-wish(middle-passive) down-from(authority)-as and-also John(the Baptist) he-teaches* thee students of-him-same!”

Yet He-says* to-them-same, “whenever you-all-might-toward(united)-well-wish(middle-passive), be!-you-all-saying:

‘Father! of-us(1st person plural) thee in thee-all skies(a position of authority), be!-it-being-purified(separating a class from a class)* thee fame(neuter) of-You, be!-she-coming* thee rulership(feminine) of-You, be!-it-coming(middle-passive)* thee will(neuter) of-You, as in [ ]sky and-also on-over(authoritative position) of-thee land.

Thee bread(food) of-us, thee necessary,
be!-You-giving to-us thee-thing down-from day(possibly this word was added and sEmeron, a neuter adverb, which occurs is a similar passage in Matthew 6, was removed by a copier or editor). And-also be!-You-from-sending* to-us thee-all misses(which incurs a dept to others) of-us, for(reason) and also ourselves-same, we-are-from-sending* to-any one-always-owing(indebted) to-us. and-also no You-might-into-carry(bring)* us into trial(forensic sense),

[but-rather be!-You-rescuing(delivering) us from thee annoying/annoying-one.’]” Luke 11:1-4

“but-rather be!-You-rescuing(delivering) us from thee annoying”, is not in the manuscripts used by the NASB. It is, however, in the manuscript used by the KJV.

“Annoying” is the adjective “ponEros”; it means: full of labors, hardships, annoyances. It is usually translated “wicked” or “evil” and sometimes as a substantive adjective as in, “evil-one”, giving reference to Satan. I’m not sure I know what “evil-one” means but, I can tell you this, Satan is annoying!

Matthew 6

Hyper-Literal: “Thusly then be!-you-all-toward(united)-well-wishing(middle-passive), you-all,

‘Father! of-us, thee in thee skies, be!-it-being-purified(separating a class from a class)* thee fame(neuter) of-You, be!-she-coming* thee rulership(feminine) of-You, be!-it-coming(middle-passive)* thee will(neuter) of-You, as in [ ]sky and-also on-over(authoritative position) of-thee land. Thee bread(food) of-us, thee necessary, be!-You-giving to-us this-day(neuter adverb) And-also be!-You-from-sending* to-us thee-all dept-effects of-us as, and-also we we-are-from-sending* to-thee debtors of-us. and-also no You-might-into-carry(bring)* us into trial(forensic sense) but-rather be!-You-rescuing(delivering, middle-passive)* us from thee annoying/annoying-one,

[seeing-that of-You she-is thee rulership(feminine) and-also thee ability and-also thee glory(illumination) into thee-all breaths-being, So-be-it(amEn).’] Matt 6:9-13

“seeing-that of-you she-is thee rulership(feminine) and-also thee ability and-also thee glory(illumination) into thee-all breaths-being, So-be-it(amEn)”, is not in the earliest manuscripts.

Obviously, these two passages, according to context, are not the same event but two separate events in which Jesus was teaching them how to communicate with God. It is interesting all the imperative moods or rather, strong entreaties Jesus used: none of that “if it be your will” nonsense. It is also interesting, when these passages are compared side-by-side, the relationship between owing a debt and miss(sin). Our missing, being off the mark, incurs a debt to others and any miss against us, from others, makes us debtors.

I have been debtor to some whom have tried to harm me and I aiteO-begged God that He not destroys them. He, surprisingly, usually answers this prayer in the negative. It’s ugly! My suggestion, concerning God’s children, never be on the wrong side of God’s wrath! And remember, we do not come with warning labels!

 

[Matthew B]

That's great! I'll give you some background from Jesus teaching the disciples how to pray. Every "!" is the imperative mood of command in Greek:

The Lord’s Prayer

Luke 11

Hyper-Literal: And-also it-comes-to-pass(happens)* in thee to-be Him(Jesus)-same in that (2)certain (1)place, (3-)One-always-toward(Jesus always well-wished/prayed/communicated with God in the 1st person plural)-well-wishing(middle-passive) as He-ceased(finished, acting upon Himself)*, he-says*, certain-one of-thee students of-Him-same, toward Him-same, “Master!, be!-you-teaching* us to-toward(united)-well-wish(middle-passive) down-from(authority)-as and-also John(the Baptist) he-teaches* thee students of-him-same!”

Yet He-says* to-them-same, “whenever you-all-might-toward(united)-well-wish(middle-passive), be!-you-all-saying:

‘Father! of-us(1st person plural) thee in thee-all skies(a position of authority), be!-it-being-purified(separating a class from a class)* thee fame(neuter) of-You, be!-she-coming* thee rulership(feminine) of-You, be!-it-coming(middle-passive)* thee will(neuter) of-You, as in [ ]sky and-also on-over(authoritative position) of-thee land.

Thee bread(food) of-us, thee necessary,
be!-You-giving to-us thee-thing down-from day(possibly this word was added and sEmeron, a neuter adverb, which occurs is a similar passage in Matthew 6, was removed by a copier or editor). And-also be!-You-from-sending* to-us thee-all misses(which incurs a dept to others) of-us, for(reason) and also ourselves-same, we-are-from-sending* to-any one-always-owing(indebted) to-us. and-also no You-might-into-carry(bring)* us into trial(forensic sense),

[but-rather be!-You-rescuing(delivering) us from thee annoying/annoying-one.’]” Luke 11:1-4

“but-rather be!-You-rescuing(delivering) us from thee annoying”, is not in the manuscripts used by the NASB. It is, however, in the manuscript used by the KJV.

“Annoying” is the adjective “ponEros”; it means: full of labors, hardships, annoyances. It is usually translated “wicked” or “evil” and sometimes as a substantive adjective as in, “evil-one”, giving reference to Satan. I’m not sure I know what “evil-one” means but, I can tell you this, Satan is annoying!

Matthew 6

Hyper-Literal: “Thusly then be!-you-all-toward(united)-well-wishing(middle-passive), you-all,

‘Father! of-us, thee in thee skies, be!-it-being-purified(separating a class from a class)* thee fame(neuter) of-You, be!-she-coming* thee rulership(feminine) of-You, be!-it-coming(middle-passive)* thee will(neuter) of-You, as in [ ]sky and-also on-over(authoritative position) of-thee land. Thee bread(food) of-us, thee necessary, be!-You-giving to-us this-day(neuter adverb) And-also be!-You-from-sending* to-us thee-all dept-effects of-us as, and-also we we-are-from-sending* to-thee debtors of-us. and-also no You-might-into-carry(bring)* us into trial(forensic sense) but-rather be!-You-rescuing(delivering, middle-passive)* us from thee annoying/annoying-one,

[seeing-that of-You she-is thee rulership(feminine) and-also thee ability and-also thee glory(illumination) into thee-all breaths-being, So-be-it(amEn).’] Matt 6:9-13

“seeing-that of-you she-is thee rulership(feminine) and-also thee ability and-also thee glory(illumination) into thee-all breaths-being, So-be-it(amEn)”, is not in the earliest manuscripts.

Obviously, these two passages, according to context, are not the same event but two separate events in which Jesus was teaching them how to communicate with God. It is interesting all the imperative moods or rather, strong entreaties Jesus used: none of that “if it be your will” nonsense. It is also interesting, when these passages are compared side-by-side, the relationship between owing a debt and miss(sin). Our missing, being off the mark, incurs a debt to others and any miss against us, from others, makes us debtors.

I have been debtor to some whom have tried to harm me and I aiteO-begged God that He not destroys them. He, surprisingly, usually answers this prayer in the negative. It’s ugly! My suggestion, concerning God’s children, never be on the wrong side of God’s wrath! And remember, we do not come with warning labels!

Yes, he does tell us to say, "give us today our daily bread" but only after addressing the Father's name as Holy and treating his being with the word dear. It is interesting for me to think of those things as well, especially because we all have debts to be forgiven even daily. Thanks for the testimony too

EDIT: fixed improper word order

 

[Haipule]

Yes, he does tell us to say, "give us our today daily bread" but only after addressing the Father's name as Holy and treating his being with the word dear. It is interesting for me to think of those things as well, especially because we all have debts to be forgiven even daily. Thanks for the testimony too

One thing I have learned is that God is not anal or OCD! He never cares what we call Him. Just call Him and GO BIG! The vindication is sweet!

Stay shiny my friend!