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theVirginian said:
It was common with ancient religions. The Rastafarians are probably the best known cult in modern times that use it, but there are also New Age religious groups, some of which hide behind the Christian label.

Well then. Are you going to stop celebrating Easter and Christmas?
 
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FYI: there is no such thing as a good slippery slope argument. Pot does not lead to cocaine because cocaine is scary and ruins lives, and pot isn't and doesn't.
If you get caught....my friends said if i ever get caught he said hes going to slap me for being an idiot.
 
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Actually my family quit honoring the pagan baggage attached to these days many years ago.

Good for them, although the rest of our nation hasn't followed suit.

Therefore I can deduce it's alright to take pagan celebrations, but not ok to smoke or eat weed because some pagans in the past did.
 
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Good for them, although the rest of our nation hasn't followed suit.
I'm only responsible for me and mine.

Therefore I can deduce it's alright to take pagan celebrations,...
Not at all. It's a shame Christmas and Easter were perverted, but here we are. They are Pagan holidays only if they are observed as such.

...but not ok to smoke or eat weed because some pagans in the past did.
They're still doing it today. When we copy Pagans, or any other part of this World system, we align ourselves with them in the supernatural realm. This is not a good thing.

We have access to the peace that passes all understanding. Why should we lower ourselves to the World's level?
 
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I've been smoking the stuff since age 16 and I've never had any bad experiences with weed or hash (besides watching a sad movie while high and getting much more emotional than I normally would). At the moment, I smoke about 4 joints every night during week days, but I don't smoke anything when at home (instead of at my dorm room), usually during the weekend and during holidays. It greatly intensifies and improves most of my emotions and stimuli, and on top, is very relaxing. I enjoy a nice meal while being high much more than when I'm not. A good joke becomes an awesome joke. Sexual sensations are seriously heightened. Sometimes it helps me solve problems by looking at things from a different perspective, and gives me a certain insight that I would never have attained while sober. It doesn't really impair my reasoning, although it can slow it down a bit while under the influence, but the effect is insignificant, as I can still get the maximum score on most internet IQ tests while stoned. It does impair short term memory during periods of heavy usage, but that hasn't caused me any serious problems either. The only real drawbacks I would suggest are the price, and the consequences of getting caught by your parents (if you are not yet independant) if they are really opposed to it and you can't convince them of the drugs' innocence. But if you compare the price of smoking a few joints every night during the week, and going to the pub every night and drinking 5-10 pints, smoking weed is definitely cheaper. Besides, alcohol has caused me numerous occasions of misery in the past, in sharp contrast with weed. My opinion is that if alcohol and tobacco are legal, there is no reasonable argument to be made at all for the fact that weed is illegal. Of course, I do have to add this: As with all drugs, different people can react to weed very differently, and it is possible to get psychological problems because of its use in combination with certain personal characteristics. That is why everyone should make up for themselves whether they use it or not, and not depend on others testimonies about how harmless or harmful it is. It might be harmful for you, or harmless, and if it's the first, the best thing you can do is quit.
 
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Ok, hear me out...

No, I have never tried pot, and I dont pretend to be an expert on the matter, but I think the answer to the question is No.

As a Christian, its not a GOOD thing to do.I dont think God is exactly pleased when we do things like that. It says in the bible that we should stay in our "right minds" in order to be a good witness, not to be drunk on wine. Forgive me if Im wrong, but from what some of you have posted it definately alters your state of mind right?!

However, i do alot of things that I shouldnt! I drink, sometimes too much, I have smoked which I cant exactly argue is good for me, and when Im down Ive been struggleing with Self harm which I use to relax myslef and lift my mood.Even certain foods can and are used as comfort food, and is abused for the effect it has on ones state of mind. So I wont judge you guys for choosing this particular drug to use. Its no better or worse that any...

As a christian, you should know that it is not Gods plan for you that you should NEED to use any kind of drug, be it pot, tobacco, alcohol, or anything, in order to feel better, or to think properly. Its not his desire for his children to abuse themselves, through drugs overeating, or sleeping around. However you get your high, God wants you to learn to come to him, to chill with him , to find yourself in him, to rejoice in him, to celebrate him to be loved by him...God is ALL about the relationship!

So no, I dont think it is a good thing to smoke pot, but I dont believe its the biggest issue either!

just as an aside, wether you think it should be or not,fact is, it IS illeaglal! Therefore one should consider how it is that the drug is getting to you?! maybey the crime of buying or selling it to your mates is negligable but what, bigger crimes is it funding? where does it come from? how is it being trafficked? who does it? are they being exploited? Just a consideration...Ive been thinking along the same lines for chocolate...
 
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Ok, hear me out...

No, I have never tried pot, and I dont pretend to be an expert on the matter, but I think the answer to the question is No.

As a Christian, its not a GOOD thing to do.I dont think God is exactly pleased when we do things like that. It says in the bible that we should stay in our "right minds" in order to be a good witness, not to be drunk on wine. Forgive me if Im wrong, but from what some of you have posted it definately alters your state of mind right?!
However, i do alot of things that I shouldnt! I drink, sometimes too much, I have smoked which I cant exactly argue is good for me, and when Im down Ive been struggleing with Self harm which I use to relax myslef and lift my mood.Even certain foods can and are used as comfort food, and is abused for the effect it has on ones state of mind. So I wont judge you guys for choosing this particular drug to use. Its no better or worse that any...
As a christian, you should know that it is not Gods plan for you that you should NEED to use any kind of drug, be it pot, tobacco, alcohol, or anything, in order to feel better, or to think properly. Its not his desire for his children to abuse themselves, through drugs overeating, or sleeping around. However you get your high, God wants you to learn to come to him, to chill with him , to find yourself in him, to rejoice in him, to celebrate him to be loved by him...God is ALL about the relationship!
So no, I dont think it is a good thing to smoke pot, but I dont believe its the biggest issue either!
just as an aside, wether you think it should be or not,fact is, it IS illeaglal! Therefore one should consider how it is that the drug is getting to you?! maybey the crime of buying or selling it to your mates is negligable but what, bigger crimes is it funding? where does it come from? how is it being trafficked? who does it? are they being exploited? Just a consideration...Ive been thinking along the same lines for chocolate...

nihilists hate fun
 
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just as an aside, wether you think it should be or not,fact is, it IS illeaglal! Therefore one should consider how it is that the drug is getting to you?! maybey the crime of buying or selling it to your mates is negligable but what, bigger crimes is it funding? where does it come from? how is it being trafficked? who does it? are they being exploited? Just a consideration...Ive been thinking along the same lines for chocolate...

then legalise it. create privatly owned factories in our own countries and grow the weed under strict governmental regulations. sell it in shops to people over the age of 21.
 
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My mind also tends to wander off on tangents, sometimes with genius realizations and insights I wouldn't normally stumble upon when sober-- the only drawback is that I often forget these "moments of clarity and lucid thought" seconds afterwards...

next time when your highg and having these thoughts write them down so you can look back and remember them for when you are sober
 
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because I have been evicted as of yesterday due to the reckless actions of my brother damaging property of the apartments, I smoked some weed and calmed down immensely from fears that we wont have a house to live in, I cant continue going to school until were done finding an apartment and move by monday and several other things I really dont want to have to type. As of 8:30pm I got high. I have acomplished 3 thing, 1. created a new song on my guitar and recorded it with my tape player. 2. I finished 2 drawings for a portfolio when I am able to go back to school in a week or 2 hopefully, 3. I have been able to relaxe and my stomach unknotted from the stress. My family and I are trying to into an apartment and don't know if well qualify....I hate to ask but could you all pray that we get that apartment....you dont have to post but my Mom is losing faith in God because it seems like day after day he basically takes a giant dump on our lives. I cant have her lose her faith because she basically holds this family together. Sorry about this.
 
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because I have been evicted as of yesterday due to the reckless actions of my brother damaging property of the apartments, I smoked some weed and calmed down immensely from fears that we wont have a house to live in, I cant continue going to school until were done finding an apartment and move by monday and several other things I really dont want to have to type. As of 8:30pm I got high. I have acomplished 3 thing, 1. created a new song on my guitar and recorded it with my tape player. 2. I finished 2 drawings for a portfolio when I am able to go back to school in a week or 2 hopefully, 3. I have been able to relaxe and my stomach unknotted from the stress. My family and I are trying to into an apartment and don't know if well qualify....I hate to ask but could you all pray that we get that apartment....you dont have to post but my Mom is losing faith in God because it seems like day after day he basically takes a giant dump on our lives. I cant have her lose her faith because she basically holds this family together. Sorry about this.
Prayers are sent your way for you and your family

If it helps...this is just my belief, even if it seems your mom stops believing in God, I dont think God will ever stop believing in her.
I think God is always travelling with us in life (is our rock).
Again...:prayer:'s
 
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Prayers are sent your way for you and your family

If it helps...this is just my belief, even if it seems your mom stops believing in God, I dont think God will ever stop believing in her.
I think God is always travelling with us in life (is our rock).
Again...:prayer:'s
That's great advice.

I have a family member who scoffs at God. It's good to know God doesn't give up on us.
 
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Thank you both. I have been talking to her about God. She is coming around to this. She asks why God does not help her in times of need and I respond to her and tell her that God allowed us free will and we chose evil. God helps us all the time but it is not him creating evil its man. I blame man not God. I blame man for us getting evicted, someone shooting up a school. Satan is also blamed because he puts those evil thoughts in our heads to do evil things. She is coming back to God thankfully and I thank you all and only ask that you pray she puts all that faith back in God like I have been doing. I will replace my smoking with something positive. I am going to try and learn how to aggressive skate next month. Thanks so much for the prayers everyone and sorry if this way off topic. BTW my uncle also doesnt believe in God or accept Christ as his savior so I will be praying for him too.
 
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Prodigal > Thanks :)
Hmmm one of my favorite stories (and I dont read the Bible alot but nonetheless) is the Prodigal son...
We may turn our backs, but God never turns God's back on us....(my husband doesnt believe in God-he questions God persay, believes in Jesus mind,so I alwys get him with that...that God believes in him ;) ).
Just my thoughts...:)


Serephim> Will keep praying

God is there though...we just turn a blind eye, but God is there for us to lean on when we need to, let your mom know that.
Think of FootPrints in the Sand :)
 
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Well, Christians don't mix with anything illegal--it says in their own bible, I forget which chapter and verse, "Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's".

I don't smoke grass because a) it is illegal and b)it's too expensive. I don't mind legal alternatives.

The association of drugs with paganism and vice versa is incorrect. People who use drugs aren't necessarily pagan and pagans don't necessarily use drugs.
 
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united4Peace said:
Do Christian's and Pot mix?

Yes, when I was a Christian I mixed with pot

united4Peace said:
What health benifits does pot actually have?

Good for the eyes, there is some specific eye condition it helps, Ive noticed sleep is easier, not many health benefits, but we dont smoke pot for "health" benefit

united4Peace said:
Does God really look down on a person that uses anything to relax every so often?

No

BlazeLight said:
I don't mind legal alternatives.

There is one good one, spice
Its sold everywhere in London
 
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Ok, hear me out...

No, I have never tried pot, and I dont pretend to be an expert on the matter, but I think the answer to the question is No.

As a Christian, its not a GOOD thing to do.I dont think God is exactly pleased when we do things like that.
He created it right? Plus the holy anointing oil contains marijuana, look it up.
It says in the bible that we should stay in our "right minds" in order to be a good witness, not to be drunk on wine. Forgive me if Im wrong, but from what some of you have posted it definately alters your state of mind right?!
It really frustrates me when people compare the marijuana high to alcohol intoxication. When you are drunk you loose control function of every part of your body including your brain untill the drug wears off. It dulls, and numbs while marijuana can be stimulating to creativity, thought provoking, and help you look at things from a better perspective. Many cultures believe that certain drugs which fall into the catagory of enthogens can help them connect with God. Marijuana can be one of those drugs.
However, i do alot of things that I shouldnt! I drink, sometimes too much, I have smoked which I cant exactly argue is good for me, and when Im down Ive been struggleing with Self harm which I use to relax myslef and lift my mood.Even certain foods can and are used as comfort food, and is abused for the effect it has on ones state of mind. So I wont judge you guys for choosing this particular drug to use. Its no better or worse that any...
All of those are examples of self-medication and using drugs as an escape which can be harmful.
As a christian, you should know that it is not Gods plan for you that you should NEED to use any kind of drug, be it pot, tobacco, alcohol, or anything, in order to feel better, or to think properly. Its not his desire for his children to abuse themselves, through drugs overeating, or sleeping around. However you get your high, God wants you to learn to come to him, to chill with him , to find yourself in him, to rejoice in him, to celebrate him to be loved by him...God is ALL about the relationship!
The first Christians used marijuana and the jews before them did as well. I know it was being used openly around Jesus and if he had a problem with it he would have said so, instead he focused his attention more towards alcohol...
 
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Other than rendering unto Caesar what is his (following the laws of the country one lives in) I really don't see where in the Bible it says that Cannabis Sativa is bad. In fact, the Bible could even be said to be pro-cannabis:

Genesis 1:29-31 said:
God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
 
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Well, Christians don't mix with anything illegal--it says in their own bible, I forget which chapter and verse, "Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's".
Ignorance. If it was illegal to not burn bibles, would you? Or, if it was illegal to read the bible? What about illegal to read any book?
 
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