Post Scripture denying abortion or supporting it

[Deuteronomy13]

What scripture is there supporting abortion? What Scripture says its wrong? Im unsure if its moral or not. If there is no Scripture saying it is wrong is it ok then?

 

[katautumn]

What scripture is there supporting abortion? What Scripture says its wrong? Im unsure if its moral or not. If there is no Scripture saying it is wrong is it ok then?

Judging by your other epic posts, may I assume you would automatically support aborting gay fetuses?

 

[joey_downunder]

“You shall not murder*."(Exodus 20:13 ESV)
*Note: The Hebrew word also covers causing human death through carelessness or negligence.

Is abortion getting rid of a human life - yes or no?

 

[lux et lex]

No. See Exodus.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Judging by your other epic posts, may I assume you would automatically support aborting gay fetuses?

Excellent question.
I shall look forward to the answers.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

Judging by your other epic posts, may I assume you would automatically support aborting gay fetuses?

If there was a way to determine genetically that someone was going to be absolutely gay in adulthood then maybe although they would have not sinned yet.

 

[lux et lex]

If there was a way to determine genetically that someone was going to be absolutely gay in adulthood then maybe although they would have not sinned yet.

That's messed up.

 

[katautumn]

Have we reached an "obvious troll is obvious" consensus yet?

 

[brightmorningstar]

That's messed up.

Indeed it is. Lex et Lux wont be able to answer the question if my memory serves me right. If people are supposed to be born gay then it cant be nurture, it must be nature, yet there is no proof of any gentics. So whilst the progay crowd who are almost always pro-choice so often claim gay people born that way, its quite obvious that isnt likely to be the case as shown by the possibilty of aborting a gay foetus.

The next question is would any who are either pro-choice or pro-gay support aborting gay-foetuses by choice?

Its a tremendos question that I suspect neither group will agree to answer.

 

[lux et lex]

I support choice, but for me, if there was a "gay" test, it wouldn't deter me from continuing my pregnancy. But I often wonder what "pro life" people think about gay fetuses...would they save them? I think I have part of my answer.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Lux et Lex,

I support choice, but for me, if there was a "gay" test, it wouldn't deter me from continuing my pregnancy.

Interesting way of avoiding the question. If you wantd to abort and found the foetus was gay, would you still abort?

But I often wonder what "pro life" people think about gay fetuses...would they save them? I think I have part of my answer.

If you support choice you wouldnt need to ask the question, it makes no difference what the choice is.
The question is if some wanted to abort only gay foetuses? What then Lux et Lex, would you say 'no problem your choice'?

 

[lux et lex]

If I was going to have an abortion, it would not matter if the fetus was gay, straight, black, white, mentally challenged, genius, male, female, etc.

I don't have a problem with choice. What I do have a problem with is hypocrites. If you are "pro life" and find out your child is going to be homosexual and thusly abort them, then you are a hypocrite, and that is where the problem lies. If you are pro choice and are against homosexuals and have an abortion if the fetus tests positive for homosexuality, I think that's sad, but that's your choice. At least you weren't purporting to "value all human life from natural birth to natural death" and had an abortion any way to stop the gay.

 

[Ave Maria]

If I found out that I was pregnant before I was married and I also found out that my unborn child was likely to be gay, I still would not have an abortion. Abortion is intrinsicaly evil no matter waht you may personally think about the issue. God has spoken on the issue of abortion numerous times and He has always told us that He hates it. Here is what the Bible has to say about the unborn:

For it was you who formed my inward parts; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; that I know very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes beheld my unformed substance. In your book were written all the days that were formed for me, when none of them as yet existed.
(Psalms 139:13-16 NRSV-CE)

Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.'
(Jeremiah 1:4-5 NRSV-CE)

Thus says the LORD who made you, who formed you in the womb and will help you: Do not fear, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.
(Isaiah 44:2 NRSV-CE)

Listen to me, O coastlands, pay attention, you peoples from far away! The LORD called me before I was born, while I was in my mother's womb he named me.
(Isaiah 49:1 NRSV-CE)

I think it is very clear from the Bible that God considers the unborn to be fully human and that they are truly persons who are worthy of life.

And now we have Sacred Tradition on the matter:

"The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child" (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).

"The way of light, then, is as follows. If anyone desires to travel to the appointed place, he must be zealous in his works. The knowledge, therefore, which is given to us for the purpose of walking in this way, is the following. . . . Thou shalt not slay the child by procuring abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy it after it is born" (Letter of Barnabas 19 [A.D. 74]).

"And near that place I saw another strait place . . . and there sat women. . . . And over against them many children who were born to them out of due time sat crying. And there came forth from them rays of fire and smote the women in the eyes. And these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion" (The Apocalypse of Peter 25 [A.D. 137])

This is just a few of the many things I could quote from the Early Church Fathers on abortion. It is quite clear that Sacred Tradition condemns abortion.

 

[lux et lex]

Well you're being consistent and I can respect that.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Lux et Lex,

If I was going to have an abortion, it would not matter if the fetus was gay, straight, black, white, mentally challenged, genius, male, female, etc.

Ok thanks for responding.

I don't have a problem with choice. What I do have a problem with is hypocrites. If you are "pro life" and find out your child is going to be homosexual and thusly abort them, then you are a hypocrite, and that is where the problem lies.

oxymoron, if one was pro-life there would be no aborting by choice at all,

If you are pro choice and are against homosexuals and have an abortion if the fetus tests positive for homosexuality, I think that's sad, but that's your choice.

why would you think that was sad? You seem to be contradicting yourself now by implying abortion is alright as long as its not of a gay foetus.

 

[lux et lex]

No, it's not a contradictory. It's still your choice. I think it's a sad reason for getting an abortion, but I'm not going to inhibit you from getting one. I think there are a lot of sad reasons for getting an abortion, but that doesn't mean I don't still support the woman's choice.

 

[Jpark]

If a fetus does not have a spirit when it is born, then it is not taking human life.

But if a fetus has a spirit when it is born, it is taking human life despite not having developed personality.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Lux et Lex,

I think it's a sad reason for getting an abortion,

If its choice why would you then put conditions on the choice?

Jpark,

If a fetus does not have a spirit when it is born, then it is not taking human life.

That makes no sense, the foetus is observably a stage in the development of the human being before its born.

But if a fetus has a spirit when it is born, it is taking human life despite not having developed personality.

A very dangerous thinking indeed, all kinds of judgements could be made. For example on that basis why not abort all gay foetuses, if they aren’t human yet and they wont be right when they are born?
I find the whole of your argument disturbing.

 

[lux et lex]

I'm not putting any conditions on the choice, I'm sorry you don't understand that. I can make observations about someone's choice, but I'm not going to stop them (or encourage them for that matter) to make any particular choice.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Lux et Lux,

I can make observations about someone's choice, but I'm not going to stop them (or encourage them for that matter) to make any particular choice.

If people are giving people choice to do things they see as sad then more fool them.

I think all pro-choice abortion is sad but you think gay foetus abortion is sad. You must be very pro gay then.