Possibly Leaving SDA

[SDAdude]

Recent events have shown me that Ellen White may not have been a prophet. I'm thinking of leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church. But I don't know which church is the truth. Any suggestions?

 

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[razeontherock]

Recent events have shown me that Ellen White may not have been a prophet.

The early Church met in their own houses. It's not about what is written above the door, but what is written on the heart ...

The main thing to consider if choosing a Church, is who do they say Jesus is?

Fully God and fully man
suffered, crucified, risen, and coming again

The rest of it isn't nearly as important

 

[SDAdude]

The early Church met in their own houses. It's not about what is written above the door, but what is written on the heart ...

The main thing to consider if choosing a Church, is who do they say Jesus is?

Fully God and fully man
suffered, crucified, risen, and coming again

The rest of it isn't nearly as important

The SDA Church beliueves all that.

But Jesus said "Beware of false prophets." I would have trouble belonging to a church that believes in a false prophet.

I have yet to make up my mind regarding EGW but, if I decide she's a false prophet, I'm going to leave the SDA Church.

 

[razeontherock]

Well don't they look down upon those who go to Church on Sunday?

That includes everyone in the early Church, you know.

 

[SDAdude]

Well don't they look down upon those who go to Church on Sunday?

That includes everyone in the early Church, you know.

1. They don't look down on those that go to church on Sunday. Some do. but not the church as a whole. They don't even believe that everyone that goes to church on Sunday is lost. It depends on if the Holy Spirit has convicted them of the Sabbath or not.

2. Where in the Bible does it say the early church went to church on Sunday? Almost every time Acts mentions them going to church, it says "Sabbath." And nowhere in the Bible does it say the Sabbath is the first day of the week. It always says seventh day.

 

[razeontherock]

1. They don't look down on those that go to church on Sunday. Some do. but not the church as a whole. They don't even believe that everyone that goes to church on Sunday is lost. It depends on if the Holy Spirit has convicted them of the Sabbath or not.

Well that's certainly a relief (With the bolded bits emphasized for hilarity)

2. Where in the Bible does it say the early church went to church on Sunday? Almost every time Acts mentions them going to church, it says "Sabbath." And nowhere in the Bible does it say the Sabbath is the first day of the week. It always says seventh day.

*Ahem*

Acts 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

These are tell-tale signs of a cult:

they shelter you from basic info that everyone else knows;
they distort things. How in the world would Liturgical Church worship take place in the Temple on the Sabbath? It was used for -- TEMPLE worship, by Jews. Non Messianic type Jews. In fact if you want to get critical about all this, one might even suspect that a prime reason (or at least a contributing one) for this habit was that Christians wanted to keep worshiping in the Temple, and they couldn't do it on Sunday.

I think that would be an interesting factoid to know, but I'm reasonably certain that much has been lost to history.

 

[SDAdude]

Acts 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

This was Paul's last meeting with a small group of believers in “Troas.” It was at night (20:7-8), on the “first day of the week.” Biblically, the day begins at sunset. Genesis 1:5, 8; Luke 23:54, etc. Therefore this meeting took place on a Saturday night. The New English Bible says, “on Saturday night.” Paul preached his farewell sermon, “ready to depart on the morrow.” Sunday morning, at the “break of day,” while Luke “sailed,” Paul began his 25 mile trip “to Assos.” Thus Paul travelled many miles that Sunday. He had been in Troas for “seven days” (vs. 6). A simple count reveals that they arrived on the previous Sunday, stayed for a week, and had their last meeting on that Saturday night, which would have been right after the Sabbath. Not far from Troas, Paul kept the Sabbath. Acts 16:11-13. The book of Acts mentions Sunday only 1 time, yet the Sabbath is mentioned 11 times (1:12; 13:14, 27, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4). A careful study of this “Saturday Night in Troas - Sunday Travel to Assos” account is proof that Paul did not keep Sunday holy.

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

When you read the whole chapter in context these collections mentioned here were special offerings for the church at Jerusalem (1 Cor. 16:3). In order to make the people prepare in advance a gift which they had already decided to give, the Apostle Paul said that they should set aside a sum of their income, saving it up on the first day of every week, so that it could be ready as a generous gift, not as a grudging obligation, when he came to Corinth(2 Cor. 9:1-5). “Set aside” meant that Paul wanted them to prepare in advance so that when he came to collect the contribution it did not feel like a grudging obligation.

“On the first day of every week, you should set aside a sum of money…” This words tells us that on the first day of the week (Sunday) they worked to get their income, rather then worship. There were no weekly paychecks at that time.

By the way, my Ellen White questions have been answered. I'm going to stay in the Adventist Church.

 

[razeontherock]

“On the first day of every week, you should set aside a sum of money…” This words tells us that on the first day of the week (Sunday) they worked to get their income, rather then worship. There were no weekly paychecks at that time.

No, it tells us that these collections were taken in Church, as part of worship. That was when everyone was together.

 

[SDAdude]

No, it tells us that these collections were taken in Church, as part of worship. That was when everyone was together.

I believe you and I disagree, sir.

 

[razeontherock]

That's fine, but what you posited makes no sense, and is self-contradictory.

A: they had no weekly paychecks
B: on the first day of the week they worked to get income. So how was that collected? It really doesn't take a cult to twist things like this.

 

[SanFrank]

Recent events have shown me that Ellen White may not have been a prophet. I'm thinking of leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church. But I don't know which church is the truth. Any suggestions?

I've tried methodist, catholic, evangelical/charismatic, baptist, and now pentecostal. None of them truly follow the church as administered in the days of the apostles. That church was lead by elders and had no earthly pastor because the Lord is our pastor. Going by studies of the scriptures, this type of church is closest to the early apostolic lead church. Presbyterians have elders but use pastors also, a divergence I believe from its early roots. The plymouth brethren has an elder only administration but these churches are hard to find. Happy trails.

 

[Faulty]

Recent events have shown me that Ellen White may not have been a prophet. I'm thinking of leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church. But I don't know which church is the truth. Any suggestions?

I suggest finding a local Calvary Chapel Church.

 

[Incariol]

1. They don't look down on those that go to church on Sunday. Some do. but not the church as a whole. They don't even believe that everyone that goes to church on Sunday is lost. It depends on if the Holy Spirit has convicted them of the Sabbath or not.

Hm, that's new, we're most used here to various SDA apologists coming in here and haranguing us for going to church on Sunday, and eating pork. Hasn't happened in a while, though. I'm sure we're about due for another spasm of those type of threads.

2. Where in the Bible does it say the early church went to church on Sunday? Almost every time Acts mentions them going to church, it says "Sabbath. And nowhere in the Bible does it say the Sabbath is the first day of the week. It always says seventh day.

What day of the week is the first is entirely subjective. In my calendar, the seventh day is Sunday. The week starts on Monday.

 

[Humble Pie]

I thought SDAs were free to choose whether or not they believed what EW wrote.

 

[bling]

Instead of going to a “church” to find a “church”; go to where the needy people are and look for Christians serving the needy out of pure unconditional Love. Then go where they go.

As far as Sabbath, there were lots of “Sabbaths”. The year of Jubilee was one long year of Sabbaths. Today we are in the age of Sabbath (the Jubilee age), so everything we do (which is totally done in obedience to God’s commands) can be offered up to God and that is worship.

Did the priest “work” on the Sabbath?

Where the priest to work at all?

You today are a priest, you are the temple, you are the sacrifice and you carry your alter with you all the time? When are you to not be worshipping?

 

[drich0150]

The early Church met in their own houses. It's not about what is written above the door, but what is written on the heart ...

The main thing to consider if choosing a Church, is who do they say Jesus is?

Fully God and fully man
suffered, crucified, risen, and coming again

The rest of it isn't nearly as important

 

[razeontherock]

I've tried methodist, catholic, evangelical/charismatic, baptist, and now pentecostal. None of them truly follow the church as administered in the days of the apostles. That church was lead by elders and had no earthly pastor because the Lord is our pastor. Going by studies of the scriptures, this type of church is closest to the early apostolic lead church. Presbyterians have elders but use pastors also, a divergence I believe from its early roots. The plymouth brethren has an elder only administration but these churches are hard to find. Happy trails.

I do not attend anything associated with the Plymouth Brethren, but my Pastor teaches that he is but the first among equals, and the the Church is led by a plurality of equals, who are elders. With one Elder above us all, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think he's right. I think you'd like it. I don't suspect that's enough to make you want to move to WI though

 

[SanFrank]

I do not attend anything associated with the Plymouth Brethren, but my Pastor teaches that he is but the first among equals, and the the Church is led by a plurality of equals, who are elders. With one Elder above us all, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think he's right. I think you'd like it. I don't suspect that's enough to make you want to move to WI though

If the elders can preach and have an equal say in the matters of the church, it would be a privilege to attend. The elders are a body of mature believers and such a group should be able to accomplish great feats. I may be a visionary here, but such a group could touch a lot of people and impact their community. What a blessing that would be.

 

[razeontherock]

If the elders can preach and have an equal say in the matters of the church, it would be a privilege to attend. The elders are a body of mature believers and such a group should be able to accomplish great feats. I may be a visionary here, but such a group could touch a lot of people and impact their community. What a blessing that would be.

Yeah, I think that's what happened in Scripture. We've had a few threads in GT, that got into the Scriptural distinctions, and how many there were. The Church seems to have fabricated at least one.

So we could have elders / deacons, and Bishops. But elders, deacons, Pastors and Bishops? I'm no authority on this, but to me that seems man-made. Then again i see no justification for any laity-clergy split, either.