Possible Conundrum?

[2PhiloVoid]

Not relevant. Unless you meant to quote post 36.

Whoops! Yes, it was meant to respond to post #36.

 

[Radagast]

If peer review is the litmus test, or your specific industry standard by which you specifically judge the credibility of any such claims, then I'm sure you have fully rejected many of the specific claims from the Bible by now, right?

Not at all. In fact, much peer-reviewed research has been done by Christians.

And you miss my point. Before we get into evaluating these hypothetical atheist/theist split-brain patients, what is the evidence that they actually exist? You claim they are a "conundrum." The onus of proof is on you to show they exist.

 

[Radagast]

I'm asking if there is evidence of a battle. Limbs dismembered as though by a sword.

You're kidding, right? Bones don't last that long, unless preserved.

 

[cvanwey]

Not at all. In fact, much peer-reviewed research has been done by Christians.

This did not answer my point, or answer my question. I do understand that ~80% of America is currently under the Christian umbrella, and that some scientists are also Christian.

My point and question is as follows...

1. Is peer review your meter-stick in verification? If not, then why bring it up here?. If it is, please address question two.
2. If so, then what might peer review reveal about a flood account, Exodus, or evolutionary theory; (which seems to fly in the face of a claimed Adam and Eve account, as peer review seems to be under the impression that homo sapiens did not pop into existence at some random point in time; but instead is part of a longer evolutionary tree - common ancestry)?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

You're kidding, right? Bones don't last that long, unless preserved.

You're gonna need to either stop talking to me like this or else stop whining about the way I talk to you. Also, here: Why Don't Bones Decay Even After So Many Years?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Whoops! Yes, it was meant to respond to post #36.

Ok so you seem to be addressing the "merciless slaughter" part of my comment by saying that they basically deserved it. Even if we grant this point, you still fail to address a lot. Lulav had said it was an unusual battle, and I asked, for clarification, if the inhabitants were mercilessly slaughtered after surrendering. Still it's all about physical evidence, whether it was a battle or a slaughter of prisoners, and you didn't address that.

 

[cvanwey]

You are deflecting to hide the fact that you have no evidence that these supposed atheist/theist split-brain patients exist.

Please go away and come back when you have something worth discussing.

My initial post is worth discussing. The one which should/may 'go away' is the one whom instead dismisses the OP, because of the media in which it was broadcasted. No one wants to read long and dry articles..... School is out!

Actually, the 'deflecting' starting from the moment you first responded.

How else might someone post a video lecture from an accredited scientist, but from the youtube application? It's well documented that moral decisions can comprise from both hemispheres differently.

Moral judgement by the disconnected left and right cerebral hemispheres: a split-brain investigation

Or:

"That supported Sperry´s hypothesis that the hemispheres of brain functioned separately as two different brains and did not acknowledge the existence of the other hemisphere, as the description of the object did not match the drawing. Sperry concluded that even though there were no apparent signs of disability in people with a severed corpus callosum, the hemispheres did not communicate, so it compromised the full function of the brain"

Roger Sperry’s Split Brain Experiments (1959–1968) | The Embryo Project Encyclopedia

 

[Radagast]

Also, here: Why Don't Bones Decay Even After So Many Years?

Yes, bones may be preserved in dry conditions, if they are shielded from predators. That doesn't apply to bodies left on a battlefield, so what's your point?

 

[Radagast]

from an accredited scientist

Actually, there is no such thing. There's just people with degrees, and people with jobs, and people with peer-reviewed publications.

And the fact that someone is a "scientist" doesn't make their anti-Christian rants more credible.

Moral judgement by the disconnected left and right cerebral hemispheres: a split-brain investigation

Or:

"That supported Sperry´s hypothesis that the hemispheres of brain functioned separately as two different brains and did not acknowledge the existence of the other hemisphere, as the description of the object did not match the drawing. Sperry concluded that even though there were no apparent signs of disability in people with a severed corpus callosum, the hemispheres did not communicate, so it compromised the full function of the brain"

Roger Sperry’s Split Brain Experiments (1959–1968) | The Embryo Project Encyclopedia

None of those links describe any experiments regarding theistic belief in split-brain patients.

I say again, what is the evidence that these hypothetical atheist/theist split-brain patients actually exist? You claim they are a "conundrum." The onus of proof is on you to show they exist.

 

[cvanwey]

Actually, there is no such thing.

And the fact that someone is a "scientist" doesn't make their anti-Christian rants more credible.



None of those links describe any experiments regarding theistic belief in split-brain patients.

I say again, what is the evidence that these hypothetical atheist/theist split-brain patients actually exist? You claim they are a "conundrum." The onus of proof is on you to show they exist.

Prior to proceeding, I'm curious.... Do you practice the same level of skepticism, when it comes to the claims from the Bible? I'm just wondering, because I do not wish to waste by time with someone whom may not balance their investigation to such claims equally. I want to be sure I'm not possibly dealing with some type of cognitive dissonance moving forward.

And furthermore, I think you've missed the point. It is proven that two separate brains can exist in one person's head. So it stands to reason, that each independent brain, unaware of the other hemisphere, gathers differing conclusions.

So you may answer the question, if you wish. If you don't wish to, then please address another thread accordingly.

On a further note, that scientist was not on an 'anti-Christians rant'. It is quite ethnocentric to assume such a conclusion, as he merely states 'God'.

 

[Radagast]

It is proven that two separate brains can exist in one person's head. So it stands to reason, that each independent brain, unaware of the other hemisphere, gathers differing conclusions.

I'm not sure what you can possibly mean here. There are not two brains, there are two hemispheres. Normally, there are multiple pathways connecting the hemispheres. In "split-brain" patients a number of these pathways are cut (usually, only the corpus callosum). That does not leave the hemispheres "independent." Given that each hemisphere controls half of the body, if they were truly independent, things like walking would be almost impossible.

 

[Tolworth John]

I'm asking if there is evidence of a battle. Limbs dismembered as though by a sword. Large patches of blood soaked into the ground. Chips of shields. Evidence.

It wasn't a battle.
As the whole city wasn't dug up there hasn't been that sort of discovery.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ok so you seem to be addressing the "merciless slaughter" part of my comment by saying that they basically deserved it. Even if we grant this point, you still fail to address a lot. Lulav had said it was an unusual battle, and I asked, for clarification, if the inhabitants were mercilessly slaughtered after surrendering. Still it's all about physical evidence, whether it was a battle or a slaughter of prisoners, and you didn't address that.

I'm not seeing any sign in the text that they ever intended to surrender...........

 

[Nihilist Virus]

It wasn't a battle.
As the whole city wasn't dug up there hasn't been that sort of discovery.

The Bible says the Hebrews killed every last one of them. Are you saying that the inhabitants of Jericho lined up to be executed or are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Yes, bones may be preserved in dry conditions, if they are shielded from predators. That doesn't apply to bodies left on a battlefield, so what's your point?

A battle is one day. We're talking about thousands of years. This is a desert so dry conditions absolutely apply. Also you redacted half of my post. Why?

 

[cvanwey]

I'm not sure what you can possibly mean here. There are not two brains, there are two hemispheres. Normally, there are multiple pathways connecting the hemispheres. In "split-brain" patients a number of these pathways are cut (usually, only the corpus callosum). That does not leave the hemispheres "independent." Given that each hemisphere controls half of the body, if they were truly independent, things like walking would be almost impossible.

You know exactly what I mean sir. Of course there does not then exist two 'brains'. Just like the term 'split-brain' does not mean someone born with two physical brains. In Sperry's experiment, he was able to demonstrate that both sides could recognize and formulate thoughts, unaware of the other side. Granted, the way of communication differed. But as the video also pointed out, the scientist already acknowledged this finding

'Sperry´s hypothesis that the hemispheres of brain functioned separately as two different brains and did not acknowledge the existence of the other hemisphere, as the description of the object did not match the drawing. Sperry concluded that even though there were no apparent signs of disability in people with a severed corpus callosum, the hemispheres did not communicate,'

If these findings are not enough for (you), then just move along. But I do find it curious? If you have the ability to scrutinize such observations of this level, why then vest your entire fundamental conclusions and beliefs on less? So I again ask...

Do you place the same level of skepticism to the many claims from the Bible?

Does such an individual, in the 'split-brain' agent, go to heaven or hell?

 

[Tolworth John]

The Bible says the Hebrews killed every last one of them. Are you saying that the inhabitants of Jericho lined up to be executed or are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

It was a seige followed by a massacre.

 

[Radagast]

This is a desert so dry conditions absolutely apply.

In ancient times, Jericho was an agricultural area, not a desert.

 

[Radagast]

Sperry concluded that even though there were no apparent signs of disability in people with a severed corpus callosum, the hemispheres did not communicate,'

I haven't read Sperry's original papers from the 1960s, but if he said that, he was wrong. Apart from the corpus callosum, there are at least four other neural pathways between the hemispheres (and I've probably forgotten a few).

Do you place the same level of skepticism to the many claims from the Bible

I'm not a "sceptic." I evaluate evidence (including on matters related to the Bible).

 

[Nihilist Virus]

It was a seige followed by a massacre.

For which the evidence is...?