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Possibility of Aliens even with Christian Theology

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I don't know if there's other life out there. I wonder how this would work though. Rom 8 states when mankind here sinned it effected physical creation...made it imperfect. What about the stars. Did man's sin here effect that? Astronomers tell us there's chaotic events taking place with stars, black holes and the like. Super novas stars blowing up creating nebula and the like Pretty to look at in pictures but if you're out there a chaotic place. How would this be fair if the physical universe was compromised by men on Earth because of sin and they're having to bear the blunt of it having not fallen. My guess is and could be wrong there is no other intelligent created in the image of God life out there. We'll probably have to wait till the next world to know that for sure. Well see.
 
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I don't take the Genesis account as an instructive narrative; I take it as a literal creation of the universe.
 
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I don't take the Genesis account as an instructive narrative; I take it as a literal creation of the universe.

Which, as I said, doesn't make a difference to my point: God has in His mind a state of perfected creation that is not currently the case.

However, I'd say that even if you accept Genesis as a literal creation of the universe, you should still prayerfully seek out the instructions it contains within its narrative for your own life today.
 
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Did you actually weigh in on the alien issue yet? I scanned back through but didn't see anything.
 
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Did you actually weigh in on the alien issue yet? I scanned back through but didn't see anything.

I don't know if there are "aliens."

There are broad questions:

1. Is there life of any kind on other planets? It seems like it should be likely, but we haven't even found microbes anywhere else yet.

2. If there is any life on other planets, are any of them intelligent to the point of being able to contemplate existence beyond their own? In that regard, it gets even dicier. Even non-religious scientific folk are recognizing that the conditions that have made the development of higher forms of life on this planet possible depended on string of highly improbable events. Even though each of these events was one-in-billion, and that all of them could have occurred with any one planet is of several orders of magnitude less likely than that, given all the trillions of possibilities...it still seems like it could have happened other times.

3. How did God, then, interact with them, if they exist?

3a. Were they part of Adam's fall?

3b. If they were part of Adam's fall will they be redeemed universe-wide like and all other creatures on this planet?

3c. Or did they experience their own separate falls and their own separate visitations by the Son?

3d. Or did some escape falling altogether?

3e. Has God positioned us so far apart that we will never meet until after He has brought everything back to perfection? If that's the case, meeting those aliens in heaven would be no different from meeting a human in heaven who had lived long ago and far away from us on earth.

There are 'way too many questions that call for too many assumptions without any real current evidence to have a reasonable debate about it.
 
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I also do not believe aliens exist. Well, this is not to discount the APPEARANCES of aliens. I believe there are many appearances of them through out history, but I believe these to be demons and not actual aliens.

Those who are involved in alien encounters and ghost encounters have both (in some cases) experienced the smell of brimstone. I find this to be very odd. Brimstone is something that is associated with hell.

Also, Christians were able to cast out these aliens in the name of Jesus. Many who had alien encounters were involved the occult in some way or some strange and cultic religion.

I also remember one time a Pastor telling me how the word "owls" mentioned in the Bible can sometimes refer to demons. He mentioned how this was tied to the grey aliens because their eyes can look similar (i.e. the black almond shaped eyes). At first, I discounted that part of the sermon, and did not think much of it. Then one day, I seen a movie trailer called the Fourth Kind. It was a movie about how these aliens were possessing people. In one scene in the trailer, they showed owls in a forest and how they morphed into the popular grey aliens we have come to know about through television and film (Based on people''s encounters). Pretty freaky.

So yeah, aliens are demons.
It's just one of the many deceptions of the devil.
 
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I think there is plenty of demonic activity going on, but I don't think any of it has to do with aliens.

I believe God has to show a Christian these facts over the course of their walk with Him. It is not something that is just instantly revealed to every Christian who is not seeking the truth heavily on this topic.
 
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I think there is plenty of demonic activity going on, but I don't think any of it has to do with aliens.
I think demons are "impersonating" aliens to propagate the idea of ET life.
 
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I think demons are "impersonating" aliens to propagate the idea of ET life.

They're sure doing a lousy job of it. Funny how they never show up around anyone with a decent cell phone. If they really wanted to propagate the idea of ET life, there have been plenty of SF movies showing them how to do it.

OTOH, demons are pretty successful in other ways. Even if demons are behind aliens, that's not where they're making their big breakthroughs.

Christians in America are by and large ignoring where demons are making their big breakthroughs.

Maybe the demons are doing the alien thing as a diversion.
 
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1Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Who else is there other than those "in Adam"?

Unless you are talking about angels and perhaps these aliens are fallen angels attempting to distract us from God.
 
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1Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Who else is there other than those "in Adam"?

Unless you are talking about angels and perhaps these aliens are fallen angels attempting to distract us from God.

Well, the bible doesn't necessarily tell us all there is to know about everything in the universe.
 
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There are most likely other planets with intelligent life out there in the universe. The number of stars in the universe is quite large, and it appears earth-like planets may not be all that rare.

I don't see a conflict between the possibility of extraterrestrials and Christian faith, necessarily.
 
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I don’t believe in ‘aliens’ as in how the mainstream presents them. But do not doubt the encounters people claim to have had, and the crazy things they’ve seen in the sky. I believe ‘aliens’ are demonic entities, and the mainstream media would never present them as such, in this secular humanist type society we live in. The further the system leads people from God and the truth, and Satan whom is the ruler of earth, the more control they have over populations. Satan is refered to as the prince of the power of the air, after all. I’ve even seen the mainstream mention aliens in a positive way as if they are good. Of course what is good for this system and it’s rulers is often bad for the masses.

Of the majority of encounters I’ve heard of people having, a common theme mentioned is how the person is unable to move, much like sleep paralysis..which I also believe to be a demonic visitation. Another common theme I have heard is that when the name Jesus Christ is mentioned, the entities flee, or whatever is bothering the victim ceases. So this leads me to suspect that ‘aliens’ are really demonic entities which take on a certain form.

I can remember a story an old friend of mine was telling me, can’t really be put into words too well, it is hard to describe.
But basically what he saw was these sort of creatures right in the same room with him but it was like they were hundreds of yards away at the same time, as if he was looking into another far off dimension we cannot normally see. He didn’t say much more than that but he seemed so spooked just recalling this incident and he mentioned these beings that looked like ‘aliens’ or ‘monsters’ and what he saw truly horrified him. He was just a kid at the time. He asked God to never let it happen again, and it didn’t.
 
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Here are a couple points I'd raise:

"If we're created in the image of God, and Jesus appeared as a human to save us, then wouldn't these aliens have to human like us?"

Jesus was of a particular family, of a particular tribe, of a particular nation, with a particular ethno-religious identity, etc; but none of that changes the universality of Christ and His work.

Which is to say, Jesus was Jewish, but the Gospel isn't to the Jews only, but also the Gentile; a great deal of the New Testament deals with this very fact. Jesus was also male, but "there is neither male nor female".

At some level we are simply dealing merely with scope and scale. Six hundred years ago it was inconceivable that there were people living on two continents across the Atlantic, everyone expected that if you sailed West you'd bump into India or China, not an entirely new world. That discovery shook Europe deep, they even asked themselves if the indigenous peoples of the Americas had souls. The very idea of questioning that other humans had souls or not simply because the lived on another continent sounds ridiculous to us today, but understand my point as this: The idea of people living on unknown lands across the sea was as radical of an idea for people hundreds of years ago as the idea of sentient life living on a planet orbiting another star out there in the universe.

If Jesus, a Galilean Jew from two thousand years ago, suffering and dying on a Roman cross outside of Jerusalem, is the salvation of all creation; and that He is Savior, even of people on far-away lands where the Gospel had never even conceivably penetrated previously--then would this be any less true of people (regardless of what shape or form they appear as) from elsewhere in the universe? My argument would be no. Jesus isn't savior only of human beings, Scripture teaches that in and by Christ God is and will bring renewal and healing to all of creation.

"Would these aliens have their own paradise like we did in the Garden, and did they have their own fall, and did Jesus appear to them as well to save them from their sins?"

The difficulty in answering this is that the presumption is a literal reading of Genesis 2-3. I don't subscribe to a literal reading of the Eden story. As such I understand the Fall a bit differently, it's not about two human beings eating a fruit and bringing downfall to the world, it's about recognizing that there is a fundamental problem observable in the world: Sin, suffering, and death. This innate problem we observe here in God's good creation really exists, even if the story about it isn't a literal-historical account. Talking snakes or no, sin, suffering, and death really does exist, and it really is a problem, and Jesus Christ really has overcome sin, death, hell, and the devil and by Him God really is reconciling, saving, healing, and renewing all things.

With that said, there's maybe two possible ways to look at this.

One way is to take the C.S. Lewis approach in the Space Trilogy. In the Space Trilogy Lewis addresses ideas about the Fall; in the series the sentient races of Mars never fell, and therefore are free from pain, suffering, and death; also noteworthy is that in the series both Mars and Venus are protected from the "Silent Planet" (Earth) because Earth fell to the sway of the "Bent Oyarsa" (i.e. the devil) and so the planet is more-or-less under a kind of quarantine so that Earth can't contaminate the rest of the solar system. Which is to say the Fall is a uniquely terrestrial reality, and therefore God's redemptive work centers squarely right here on our "Silent Planet".

Another way is to see the Fall in a much larger, universal scope. That the innate brokenness we see isn't limited just here; because we actually behold a universe that suffers and labors under death--entropy. Systems decay, stars run through their course and die, sometimes with a boom and sometimes with a fizzle, entire galaxies have risen and fallen over the long course of the universe. And so all things in creation suffer and labor under this fallen reality.

And then there's always possible for some other third option. Until we actually meet intelligent life from "out there" it's all anyone's guess.

"When the souls of those who die on the other planet go to the same heaven that we do when we die? And since heaven is only temporary, what happens when heaven comes down to earth to restore the paradise that was lost in the fall?"

The renewal of creation is a whole lot more than a restoration of Eden. In Colossians St. Paul says of Jesus, "...all things were made by Him and for Him, and He is before all things, and in Him all things are held together" (Colossians 1:16-17). So I think simply seeing the resurrection and the restoration of all things as a kind of return to Eden misses the point greatly. What we look forward to is the glorious purpose for which all things were made in the first place, having their purpose and end in Jesus Christ.

But with that said, at the renewal of all things at Christ's Parousia and the resurrection of the dead we know that we look forward to a life everlasting here, on this good green Earth. But that God is renewing, healing, and restoring all creation, not just one small part of it. The Prophet Isaiah, and St. John of Patmos echoes him, that there is a new heavens and a new earth. To speak of "the heavens" is the closest thing any ancient people could possibly conceive of as the universe beyond earth, since even in the time of the Apostles the prevailing model was the Ptolemaic one involving the earth as the center of the cosmos with the sun, stars, and other celestial bodies orbiting the earth; and the entire cosmos as a series of concentric spheres. The Copernican Revolution and all we've learned since then has changed drastically how we conceive of "the heavens"; but the point being that when the biblical writers speak of the renewal of the heavens and the earth they mean everything. From right here where we are down here, to everything up above that we see in the sky--and beyond.

Beyond saying that, I'm not sure how comfortable I am speculating too much. I could since we will live on our world, they would live on theirs; or maybe in the Age to Come we will all share things together and there will be a perfect enjoyment among all God's creatures and all creation. Or both. But I bring those ideas up somewhat uncomfortably, since it seems unwise to speculate on those matters.

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Fundamentally my point isn't really to say "Yes, there are intelligent aliens" Because I don't know, though sheer probability would suggest that there probably is somewhere. But really only to suggest that the existence--or hypothetical existence--of intelligent extraterrestrial life isn't problematic.

I would rather that we are willing to at least entertain the possibility, and recognize that possibility within the framework of historic Christian teaching, so that should that day ever come that we do meet another intelligent species the result isn't some kind of theological or religious hysteria. But that we keep our mental and theological sobriety in check, and still confess the same Jesus we always have confessed, trusting the same Gospel we have always trusted, and maintaining the teachings we have always maintained.

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Well, the bible doesn't necessarily tell us all there is to know about everything in the universe.
I prefer to not live my life with such uncertainty as this implies. Thank you for a reply.
 
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