pornography?

[Allister]

I don't believe that is pornography, in my view for something to qualify as porn someone external to the process must view it

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
so filming explicit sexual scenes isnt pornography. it is the act of viewing that makes it pornography.

so its not the fact that people have sex whilst being filmed or photographed that is the problem; it is viewing it.
so its a censorship issue now?
interesting.

 

[praying]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
so filming explicit sexual scenes isnt pornography. it is the act of viewing that makes it pornography.

Only in my opinion. Why would the situation that you described be considered porn, when only the couple is going to enjoy it.

so its not the fact that people have sex whilst being filmed or photographed that is the problem; it is viewing it.
so its a censorship issue now?
interesting.

Ahh you are reading itno my posts something that I am not advocating. I would only advocate this for child porn (censorship)

 

[Allister]

pornography, as i know it, is the depiction of sexual acts, either o film, tv, paper etc.
maybe i am reading too much into your post but from the views and ideas i have accumalated on this thread the general concensus of pornography is the depiction of sexual acts.

this couple, the couple who filmed themselves, hands you a video cassette, the same cassette which contains explicit depictions of them having all kinds of sex. now, does this video cassette contain pornography? or do we have to wait untill you actually watch it until it is considered pornography?

 

[praying]

pornography, as i know it, is the depiction of sexual acts, either o film, tv, paper etc.
maybe i am reading too much into your post but from the views and ideas i have accumalated on this thread the general concensus of pornography is the depiction of sexual acts.

this couple, the couple who filmed themselves, hands you a video cassette, the same cassette which contains explicit depictions of them having all kinds of sex. now, does this video cassette contain pornography? or do we have to wait untill you actually watch it until it is considered pornography?

If they give it to me they have turned an act of love into something has nothing at all to do with love, so yes in my estimation it then qualifies as pornography, but I sitll don't advocate censorship.

 

[Allister]

If they give it to me they have turned an act of love into something has nothing at all to do with love, so yes in my estimation it then qualifies as pornography, but I sitll don't advocate censorship.

maybe, but if this couple gave it to you for safe keeping, assuming you would never view it.
what im saying is the act of depicting sexual activity is pornography, it is irrelevent if it is going to be viewed by a third party or not.

i neither advocate censorship. if someone is offended by something then dont look at it. if someone wishes to view it then that is their choice, it is no one else business.

i am not advocating child pornography, before anyone raises this issue.
child pornography shouldnt be attached to adult pornography. child porn is harmful, both mentally and physically, to the subject. ie the child. in the same way as a snuff film or if someone filmed a rape.

these are seperate issues and i ask people not to associate these with pornography. unless you can state otherwise.

 

[Thor11]

I believe pornography can be harmful if you're in a relationship. Maybe not all relationships, you have to accept that people live diffrently than you. I see no harm in pornography at all.

 

[praying]

maybe, but if this couple gave it to you for safe keeping, assuming you would never view it.
what im saying is the act of depicting sexual activity is pornography, it is irrelevent if it is going to be viewed by a third party or not.

i neither advocate censorship. if someone is offended by something then dont look at it. if someone wishes to view it then that is their choice, it is no one else business.

i am not advocating child pornography, before anyone raises this issue.
child pornography shouldnt be attached to adult pornography. child porn is harmful, both mentally and physically, to the subject. ie the child. in the same way as a snuff film or if someone filmed a rape.

these are seperate issues and i ask people not to associate these with pornography. unless you can state otherwise.

Okay can we get all the qulaifiers around this video out in the air before I answer again.


If I am not viewing and they gave it to me for safe keeping then I don't have an issue with it.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

I believe pornography can be harmful if you're in a relationship. Maybe not all relationships, you have to accept that people live diffrently than you. I see no harm in pornography at all.

And Some couples have found pornography to be Extremely helpful in enhancing their relationship.
In this context, I don't see any harm either.

 

[wardpossy]

pornography also contains men, be your logic is also portrays men as sex objects and is therefore degrading. you are also assuming that pornography is viewed soley by men who watch women. women use porn, either watching female or male porn. men use porn, and again, their sexuality chooses which type of porn they use. eg, homosexual porn. are you applying your logic to the degrading of men in these situations?
do homosexual men become disrespectful of men? or homosexual women of women?

Pornography is degrading to all who are involved, men, women, couples ect...

why nude pictures, why not photographs of men/women in fashion? cannot these also fit into yuor catagory?

Yes, Some people can see a billboard and get excited


how exactly will viewing porn wipe out a man's job, finances, testimony, peace, family, health and freedom?
please dont quote the bible at me. i want YOUR ideas, YOUR opinions. i dont quote science and phycology books at you.
how can viewing porn wipe out your finances or your freedom? i dont see your connection.

Lets say you begin looking at porn, most people begin to want more and more until they are consumed by it, I can tell you from a personal experience where my sisters husband of 8 years started to look at porn, it went from just pictures to just movies to teens then as you can read what happened next, you begin to be devoured by porn and the more you see the more you want and after a while you are bored with that and go to the next stage, below is the link as to what has happened to this date:


http://www.lafayettejc.com/news2005...106889784.shtml

Since this article the police have added another 30 charges and still counting, My sister is now left holding the car payments, no husband, she has to move because her salary wont cover the bills, not to mention how degraded she feels in public so this is how it wipes out a man's job, finances, testimony, peace, family, health and freedom? His bale is now $50,000 dollars, and I cant even state on here what else she has now found out about other women, chat rooms,and pictures the police found. Now Im sure when he first started he thought" Whats the Harm" So as I stated it can consume your life and others in which you say you love.


rubbish. what if he is lusting after HIS WIFE!! or what if he is in a horrible relationship where he (or she for that matter) is beating his/her partner etc. is it wrong to leave a loveless relationship for another person. what if that he lusts after that person while in the ends of a relationship and then the person he is lusting after becomes his wife?
there are no ABSOLUTES in emotion, no matter how much you bully them into believing it.

If you find your relationship is coming to an end you should end your relationship BEFORE starting another.
And if you lust after your Wife that is a good thing, go with it and if she wants to make a video for your eyes only thats great because you are husband and wife.


prove it. (and no the bible isn't proof)


a man and a women, in love, married. never cheated or desired to cheat. one day they decide to film themselves in the act of love. later they watch it. no one over than them ever view this tape or have any knowledge of what they did. they both enjoy what they did and do not regret it. neither of them feel they have anything to feel sorry for. no one got hurt. is this not pornography? is this wrong?

Please note add. responses in red above.No it is not wrong because you are husband and wife and as long as you keep it for "your eyes only" Enjoy, this is of course she has no problem with it.
I hope I have helped awnser your questions, you can PM me if you want more details, God Bless , Jeff

 

[RThibeault]

What might be considered pornography for one person may not be pornography to another. It all depends alot on what kinds of pictures a person finds sexually stimulating.

Now the problem with pornography is not just the fact that it usually involves creating lustful feelings for a person other than your wife or husband.

It also lowers the status of men and women to sex objects and not human beings. Women, who are usually portrayed in pornographic pictures are not seen as people. Men who look at pornography often do not respect women for thier contribution to society, they look at women as means to procreate.

It also leads to other deviant fantasies which might not have been there if it were not for pornography.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Men who look at pornography often do not respect women for thier contribution to society, they look at women as means to procreate.

Humm.. I think that males who enjoy pornographic images of women do so as a means of getting off rather than as means of making babies.

 

[Allister]

Pornography is degrading to all who are involved, men, women, couples ect...

ask the people involved if they think it's degrading. also, maybe someone who acts in a porn film feels degraded, if that is the case A. they shouldnt have got involved in the first place B. quit
also, there are people who wont feel degraded. who are you to say so aggressively that pornography "IS" degrading to "ALL" involved. how can you blanket something like that, are you really that naive?

.No it is not wrong because you are husband and wife and as long as you keep it for "your eyes only"

you previously said that pornography is degrading to ALL invovled, so wouldnt the husband and wife be degraded?
why "your eyes only"?
couldn't you viewing this pornography lead you to your slippery slope argument.


Lets say you begin looking at porn, most people begin to want more and more until they are consumed by it, I can tell you from a personal experience where my sisters husband of 8 years started to look at porn, it went from just pictures to just movies to teens then as you can read what happened next, you begin to be devoured by porn and the more you see the more you want and after a while you are bored with that and go to the next stage, below is the link as to what has happened to this date:


that is just not true. i have looked at porn, never affected me like that. i know lots and lots of people who it also hasn't affected like that.

Now Im sure when he first started he thought" Whats the Harm"

(that link didnt work)

so he was arrested and charged. what type of adult porn was he viewing? (i use the word adult because i assume he wasnt looking at 2 or more CONSENTING adults)

"whats the harm"

good question.

is it the porn's fault this happened? no. he could have had a phycological problem and should have seeked help.
you cant blame the medium that contains adult images.

If you find your relationship is coming to an end you should end your relationship BEFORE starting another.
And if you lust after your Wife that is a good thing, go with it and if she wants to make a video for your eyes only thats great because you are husband and wife.

why should you end a relationship before starting another.
how do you define a 'end' to a relationship. does it have to be verbalised between the couple?
why does it matter if you start a new relationship with someone else while in a horrible relationship? why why why? isnt it the good thing to do. being happy.

okay, so its okay for a husband and wife to make a porn film. what about a unmarried couple or a homosexual couple (gay/lesbian).
what if two really really close friends decide to do it?

remember, it is for their eyes only.

Yes, Some people can see a billboard and get excited

can this lead to your slippery slope theory? should we condem billboards?
is this also not degrading?

 

[wardpossy]

ask the people involved if they think it's degrading. also, maybe someone who acts in a porn film feels degraded, if that is the case A. they shouldnt have got involved in the first place B. quit
also, there are people who wont feel degraded. who are you to say so aggressively that pornography "IS" degrading to "ALL" involved. how can you blanket something like that, are you really that naive?



you previously said that pornography is degrading to ALL invovled, so wouldnt the husband and wife be degraded?
why "your eyes only"?
couldn't you viewing this pornography lead you to your slippery slope argument.


Lets say you begin looking at porn, most people begin to want more and more until they are consumed by it, I can tell you from a personal experience where my sisters husband of 8 years started to look at porn, it went from just pictures to just movies to teens then as you can read what happened next, you begin to be devoured by porn and the more you see the more you want and after a while you are bored with that and go to the next stage, below is the link as to what has happened to this date:


that is just not true. i have looked at porn, never affected me like that. i know lots and lots of people who it also hasn't affected like that.



(that link didnt work)

so he was arrested and charged. what type of adult porn was he viewing? (i use the word adult because i assume he wasnt looking at 2 or more CONSENTING adults)

"whats the harm"

good question.

is it the porn's fault this happened? no. he could have had a phycological problem and should have seeked help.
you cant blame the medium that contains adult images.




why should you end a relationship before starting another.
how do you define a 'end' to a relationship. does it have to be verbalised between the couple?
why does it matter if you start a new relationship with someone else while in a horrible relationship? why why why? isnt it the good thing to do. being happy.

okay, so its okay for a husband and wife to make a porn film. what about a unmarried couple or a homosexual couple (gay/lesbian).
what if two really really close friends decide to do it?

remember, it is for their eyes only.



can this lead to your slippery slope theory? should we condem billboards?
is this also not degrading?

You need to call your doctor, I think your problems are much to deep to fix on this thread, Pornograghy is Wrong...PERIOD I am do with this thread

 

[Allister]

You need to call your doctor, I think your problems are much to deep to fix on this thread, Pornograghy is Wrong...PERIOD I am do with this thread

fair enough but that is becuase your arguments do not stand up to reason and understanding.

my point is that you cannot pigion hole everything into one catagory. life isnt that simple.
'porn is bad'
maybe in some circumstances it has negative affects on peoples lives.
it also can have positive affects on peoples lives.
or none.

you cant just call pornography wrong, there is no rational reason to say that.
i dont claim pornography is right and expect you to agree.
i just think it is what it is. and to say people are bad for taking part or viewing it is unjust and unfair.

 

[CheshireCat]

Jesus said something to the effect that to look at a woman lustfully is to have committed sex with her.

The issue involved is human dignity of self and life. You are degrading the human being by making them this animal, by taking advantage of their body, and your own. Also, masturbation and pornography and any of that jazz says what exactly for life? To touch and to watch pornography is to say that the glorious ability to create children and to perpetuate one's love to one's spouse means nothing, in that that same ability is really only good for physical pleasure. How much do you respect human life? Absolutely none- you remove any limits there are between your humanity and the animals.

If none of that makes sense, here is another way in which to think about it. Wouldn't it be a rather ultimate gift to your spouse to be able to tell them on the wedding night (or whenever ) that you remained completely celebate for her/him? Is that not a glorious thing? Does that not further augment the love between the two? And what about God? An offering to God of celibacy is an awesome gift, for it really is diffucult to remain celebate until marriage. And what about jsut respecting yourself? How much do you truly respect yourself for constantly giving in to addiction?

 

[RThibeault]

Humm.. I think that males who enjoy pornographic images of women do so as a means of getting off rather than as means of making babies.

That's what I was saying. Are you splitting hairs just to be arguementative?

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

That's what I was saying. Are you splitting hairs just to be arguementative?

Sheeesh… I was only commenting on something I found amusing.Apparently you have misplaced your sense of humor along with your dictionary.

FYI -

Procreate i.e. to have children, produce offspring, produce young, breed, give birth

now oppose that with:

touch i.e. to touch or rub your sexual organs in order to give yourself pleasure.
Slang (to get off)


Now those words may mean the exact same thing to you but if so it is only to you that they do. To the rest of us, they have distinctly different meanings.
~~~
For what's it worth.. I did not intend to offend you with my comment. If I did, please accept my appologies.

 

[Allister]

isn't chocolate maturbation for the mouth? chocolte is not needed to survive. it is eaten because it produces pleasure. it is really difficult to just eat plain bread and drink water.

why not condem chocolate.

 

[merryheart]

isn't chocolate maturbation for the mouth? chocolte is not needed to survive. it is eaten because it produces pleasure. it is really difficult to just eat plain bread and drink water.

why not condem chocolate.

Hey, haven't you heard the latest? Chocolate is very very good for you

(don't go pickin' on chocolate)

 

[Allister]

Hey, haven't you heard the latest? Chocolate is very very good for you

hey hey, so is masturbation.