Pornography doesn’t exploit.

spartacus1984 said:

So than which one of your psychic powers are you using to decide which Pornography exploits and which Pornography doesn’t exploits?

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Any business can be exploitative. This is why there are laws and regulations covering business practices.

And I swear, if you ask me whether this is what I believe or whether I have any evidence of this my head will explode like that guy from the movie "Scanners".

spartacus1984 said:

yes and so you agree that you have no independent evidence of which Pornography exploits?

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Yes. I have no reliable evidence which product of which industry involved exploitation. What do you suggest for the conclusion?

Recently a guy working in the car industry was racially harrassed. Will we conclude that the car industry is racist and shut it down now?

uberd00b said:

Any business can be exploitative. This is why there are laws and regulations covering business practices.

And I swear, if you ask me whether this is what I believe or whether I have any evidence of this my head will explode like that guy from the movie "Scanners".

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Is this what you believe or do have any independent evidence about laws and regulations covering Pornography?

and do you have any independent evidence that the laws are enforced?

Jenna Jameson had a birthday party for one of her friends at the club I promote in NYC a few months ago. She didn’t seem too be exploited…

spartacus1984 said:

Is this what you believe or do have any independent evidence about laws and regulations covering Pornography?

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I see no indication that the porn industry of all is exempted from laws that regulate these things. As long as there isn´t any addition to a law that says " the porn industry is exempted from the application of this law", I see no evidence that this is so.

and do you have any independent evidence that the laws are enforced

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Not really, and this makes a good case for advocating the enforcement of these laws, rather than making an entire industry illegal and uncontrollable.

spartacus1984 said:

Is this what you believe or do have any evidence about laws and regulations covering business practices for Pornography industry?

and do you have any evidence that the laws are enforced

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Are you seriously unaware that laws exist regulating businesses exist?

Are you seriously unaware that laws regulating the porn business exist?

Just a moments research (heck, you could just have thought about it for a second) would have saved you asking such an inane question.

Now will somebody please scrape my brains off the ceiling.

uberd00b said:

Now will somebody please scrape my brains off the ceiling.

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yes and do you have any independent evidence that the laws are enforced?

And So you just don’t agree that all Pornography should be banned now?

spartacus1984 said:

yes and do you have any independent evidence that the laws are enforced?

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How about the HSE's register of convictions?

spartacus1984 said:

And So you just don’t agree that all Pornography should be banned now?

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Good grief no. What an astonishingly bad idea. They tried that once with booze.

spartacus1984 said:

yes and do you have any independent evidence that the laws are enforced?

And So you just don’t agree that all Pornography should be banned now?

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Let's try looking at it this way: Do you think an industry (any industry, mind you) in which someone might be expoloited should therefore be banned?

Here's what I am hearing the anti-porn crowd saying: Women are helpless bubbleheads. They can't take care of themselves, can't make independent decisions that don't involve coercion by lecherous males, consistently fall under the spell of the aforementioned lecherous males, are too naive and stupid to understand what they're getting into, and are too cowardly to exit stage left if they don't like the situation.

In other words, empty-headed, big-boobed babies who must be constantly protected from the Big Bad Wolf.

quatona said:

That means that you two have a problem with it.

I do not doubt that your husband has a problem with his lust.
Well, then mentioning him for an argument here doesn´t make much sense, in the first place.
I´ll ignore the illegality of your husband´s actions (it would be off topic). What all this - at best - tells me is that he does not embrace his lust, and I won´t dispute this. The obsession, however, with which he apparently has to avoid dealing with his lust tells me that his lust has a particular huge impact on him.

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No it doesnt. He throws out the magazines from his co-workers because its wrong to have them sitting out. If I saw a mgazine of a nude man at my work place I would throw it out not because I was lusting after it because I dont want other people to look at it....because I know its vile...and it goes against our faith to even 'look' at it!

Amoeba said:

Why doesn't he just ignore them? I mean he obvviously doesn't lust so i think he has no problems with them being there.



Again why does he do this? If he doesn't lust then he'll have no problem with what any lass is wearing, after all it's only the human body.

It sounds like you husband is trying to reassure you that he doesn't lust because he loves you.

We women are not perfect either. Even when i thought like you do now i found myself checking guys out even when i was with my partner. I told myself i was wrong and terrible for it. I mean don't you even do that? You can't be that pure!

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I dont look at other guys...I dont have the desire in me. I just dont....my husband doesnt either. We vowed to be pure and faithful to each other for the rest of our lives, that means alot to us and we did it in front of God...we can give up looking around for God. You dont know what Im talking about....my husband has NO DESIRE. He turns because he knows that I dont want him to even look....I trust he wouldnt even look....when a girl has walked in before w/ something like that on I didnt say not to look....and he didnt even care, he said why cant people be modest...but thats it...and we went on....he hates it with a passion. I think like someone said earlier its ridiculous for you all to say my husband does something he doesnt....there are men out there thats arent full of lust....trust me my husband has alot more estrogen in him I think....(not really but he is understanding..not like a regular guy...

Electric Skeptic said:

That's called theft. Your husband is a thief.

And bearing in mind that he looks away when a woman in shorts comes into the room, I imagine he must find a lot of magazines to be 'bad'. He's lucky I don't work with him, I'd be telling my boss about his thieving activities and he'd be out on his ear.

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Hahaha, yeah right. Thats not theift. He sees them on the table he throws them out....hes doing a good thing for all of them.

Skaloop said:

But it's not wrong to see it! It's perfectly acceptable. He (or religion, or the church, whatever) has brainwashed him to think that it's wrong to see it, and that it's wrong to react lustfully to it, and yet because of the fact that he is a male, he cannot help but react lustfully at some times. Because he erroneously thinks that his thoughts are wrong, he is obviously averting his gaze out of guilt.



You just don't get it...I know what it's like to be a straight man in his twenties.



It's by having God in your lives that it is even considered wrong in the first place! Without God, it wouldn't be wrong, and he wouldn't be having bad thoughts that needed rid of in the first place.

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With God we are saved. In the end only truth will matter, no matter what you say.

Q. What's wrong with looking at pornography? It's not like you are getting a girl pregnant or spreading STDs.

A. The problem with using porn is that it emasculates men, degrades women, destroys marriages, and offends the Lord. You may be thinking: "That's going a little overboard, don't you think? I mean, what's wrong with checking out a few web sites?" Take a look at the effects of pornography, and you will see why real men don't use it.

First off, when Jesus warned that anyone who looks lustfully at a woman commits sin with her in his heart (Matt. 5:28), he spelled it out in no uncertain terms that it's not enough to avoid pregnancy or STDs. He wants us to be pure.

What does pornography do to a man? For starters, it robs him of the capacity to be a man. The essence of manhood consists in readiness to deny oneself for the good of a beloved. This is why Paul reminds husbands in his Letter to the Ephesians that their love must be like that of Christ, who allowed himself to be crucified for the sake of his beloved, the Church (Eph. 5:21–33).

Pornography defeats this calling. Ask yourself: Wouldn't it infuriate you if a guy looked at your daughter or wife in the same way he looked at pornography? Instead of denying himself for the good of the woman, a man, through the use of porn, denies the woman her dignity in order to satisfy his lust. In essence, pornography is a rejection of our calling to love as God loves. It is no wonder that those who use it are never satisfied. Only love satisfies.

Pornography gradually cripples a man's ability to love. It is impossible to love a fantasy, but living in a world of fantasy allows a guy to escape from reality and evade the demands of authentic love. In a way, the fact that pornography allows men to indulge their lust without having to worry about pregnancy or STDs is part of the problem. It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which "no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust. No one suffers from the sexual activities of others and the men, at least, are always carefree, unrestrained. . . . The priority of lovingly protecting one's partner is of little concern in pornography because no harm seems possible."(1)

Simply put, pornography is the renunciation of love. As the writer Christopher West said, "[Pornography] seeks to foster precisely those distortions of our sexual desires that we must struggle against in order to discover true love."(2) For the person who indulges in porn, the purpose of sex becomes the satisfaction of the erotic "needs," not the communication of life and love. Pornography drives a man to value a woman only for what she gives him rather than for the person she is.

Some guys will slough this all off, saying, "Boys will be boys," or "I'm just appreciating the beauty of womanhood," or "I like the articles in the magazine." Sometimes they will realize how unconvincing these arguments are, and they'll become resentful, saying, "You want to repress sexuality and rob women of their freedom. It's unhealthy for you to have such little appreciation for women!" This resentment has found its way to the billboards and titles of the strip clubs, which advertise the establishment as a "gentleman's club" for "adult entertainment." Having the word "gentleman" or "adult" associated with a strip club is nothing less than fascinating. Why would a man feel the need to justify that his behavior is mature and gentlemanly? Can you call to mind any time where an adult needed to remind others that he was mature? Or can you think of any activity on earth where a gentleman needs to announce that he is one? Usually actions speak for themselves. Besides, a gentleman doesn't need to pay women to predend that they like him.

So even when a man's lack of self-control makes him resemble a boy and nothing in his behavior is reconcilable with the title "gentleman," he still feels a need to identify with authentic manhood. This is because no matter how much we fall, Christ has still stamped into our being the call to love like Jesus. If only we can untwist the lies and humbly come before the Lord in all of our woundedness, he will raise us up and make us into true men.

Now what does pornography do to women? Since it trains men to think of women as objects to be used instead of persons to be loved, guys speak of them as objects and treat them as objects. When men learn their "love" from videos and magazines, they accept the idea that a woman's "no" is actually a "yes" and that she enjoys being used. This can lead to a rapist mentality.

Consider, for example, a study done in the Oklahoma City area. When 150 sexually-oriented businesses were closed, the rate of rape decreased 27 percent in five years, while the rate in the rest of the country increased 19 percent. In Phoenix, Arizona, neighborhoods with porn outlets had 500 percent more sex offenses than neighborhoods without them.(3)

Ted Bundy raped and killed dozens of women. He was sentenced to die in the electric chair and requested that his last interview be with Dr. James Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family. In that meeting, Bundy talked openly about pornography and told Dr. Dobson that his struggles all began there. He explained that all of his fellow inmates had an obsession with pornography before going to prison. Porn magazines, web sites, and videos lay at the root of innumerable rapes and murders. No one can tell the husbands, siblings, children, and fathers of those violated and deceased women that pornography is harmless. If you want to see for yourself what Bundy said, click here.

What does pornography do to marriages? To be blunt, pornography is the perfect way to shoot your future marriage in the head. Imagine that a young man has a habit of using pornography, and he does not reveal this to his fiancée. He hopes that once he is married, the desires for illicit sexual arousal will subside. But what becomes of his lust once he marries her? It does not disappear, it is foisted upon his wife. The pornography has trained him to react to the sexual value of a woman, and nothing else. He has trained himself to believe that women should be physically flawless and constantly sexually accessible. Even if he rejects this intellectually, the fact remains that his attractions and responses have been conditioned and shaped by warped, pornography-inspired fantasies.

Provided his wife is a life-size Barbie doll with a squad of make-up artists and hairdressers that follow her around the house, things might run smoothly for a time. But when reality confronts fantasy, the man will be left disillusioned and the woman's self image will suffer. His disordered desires and fantasies can never be fulfilled by any real-life woman. They focus solely upon self-centered gratification rather than mutual self-giving and joy in pleasing one's spouse. One woman explained that if a man's real-life partner is not always as available sexually and willing to do whatever he wishes as the women he has fantasized about, he may accuse her of being a prude. If she looks normal, and unlike the models he has come to adore, he may accuse her of being fat. If she has needs, unlike the passive images in the magazines, then she may seem too demanding for him.(4)

In other words, he'll be quick to blame his disorder on her; his fantasies will have robbed him of the ability to be truly intimate with his wife. One reason he is unable to have healthy intimacy with his wife is because intimacy is not an escape from reality, but the capacity to see the beauty of the other. The presence of lust in the heart of the man blocks his ability to view the woman as a person. He has reduced her to an object and ignored her value as person. When this happens, he forfeits love. True intimacy is impossible.

This is why part of the problem with pornography is not simply that it shows too much, but that it shows too little. It reduces a woman to nothing more than her body. Thus, a man will assume that the greater the body, the greater the value of the woman. With this mindset, men not only expect their future wives to look no less perfect than Miss September, they also do not appreciate a woman's most beautiful and precious qualities, since a centerfold display fails to highlight these. This drives men to look elsewhere in an impossible quest to satisfy their disordered appetites. After all, pornography fosters the false mentality that casual, uncommitted sex is the most fulfilling and enjoyable. Who does not want to be fulfilled?

One all-too-common response to the marital dissatisfaction often caused by pornography habits is to actually bring pornography into the bedroom. This is a vain effort on the part of the man to have the illicit excitement that he has formed an attachment to. The poor wife may allow this, but the joy of loving has escaped the man, who no longer sees the value of the person and the need to give himself for her. Married couples who use pornography find that their marital problems only worsen. If a husband needs to pretend that his wife is someone else in order for him to be excited, then he will become less and less drawn to her. Instead of making love to her, he is destroying love between them.

Because the effects of pornography are so severe, Christian men have an obligation to rid their own lives of it. According to Pope John Paul II, "[God] has assigned as a duty to every man the dignity of every woman."(5) When we act in a way that is contrary to the dignity of women, we act contrary to our own dignity and vocation as men.

Even if pornography had no adverse affects on people, we must never forget that sin is not simply a social matter. We owe it to our neighbor to love him, but we also owe it to God to honor the Lord in all our actions and thoughts. To lust after his daughters is a grave sin, even if no one becomes pregnant as a result of another's imagination. "So shun youthful passions and aim at righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call upon the Lord from a pure heart" (2 Tim. 2:22).

Q. What's wrong with looking at pornography?

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LovesEnduringPromise said:

Hahaha, yeah right. Thats not theift.

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Yes, that is precisely theft.

LovesEnduringPromise said:

He sees them on the table he throws them out.

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He sees something not belonging to him and throws it away? That is theft. He is stealing. Your husband is a thief. It doesn't matter why he steals; he is still a thief.

LovesEnduringPromise said:

hes doing a good thing for all of them.

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That's his opinion. It might be your opinion, too. But if I steal your car and junk it and claim I was doing a good thing for you because now you can't get in a car crash, I've still stolen your car.

Your husband is a thief, whatever his motivation.

No it doesnt. He throws out the magazines from his co-workers because its wrong to have them sitting out. If I saw a mgazine of a nude man at my work place I would throw it out not because I was lusting after it because I dont want other people to look at it....because I know its vile...and it goes against our faith to even 'look' at it!

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That is theft and willful destruction of private property. He has committed a felony, a crime not only against the United States of America, but as well as a crime against God.

Your husband is a criminal if what you say is true.