Pornography and Explotation

[Questor]

Over-dramatic much?

Not nearly as much as the helpless sobs and searing pain experienced by children raped brutally by pedophiles whose pc's are filled with child porn and rich enough to travel to countries where they can enjoy their cruel perversions.

 

[Nithavela]

Sorry, I disagree with simplistic rationales. I am well aware that Disney, Inc would try to make these uses of these loved cartoon characters illegal.

Strange, if they were cartoons enjoyed in my childhood, I would be deeply saddened by their use in porn.

The nature of pornographic cartoons is still for purposes of sexual perversions, for the promotion of intense sexual associations that some find obsessive in their real lives.

I think you statement.."Anime Charakters all look the same anyway from the neck downward." So do most young teens, that's why sexual abuse makes real bodies seem disposable after use.

Sailor Moon animes are in themselves rather vivid evidence of their purposes and uses.

You nor I have committed rape, but two of us compared to the hundreds of thousand children and girls and women raped in the world every year makes our little disagreement over the results from pornography seem awfully lopsided.

Realities won't just vanish because you try to defend pornography.

Didn't think you would turn my little tounge in cheek comment about the looks of anime characters into evidence for the child abusing that they, in your eyes, cause.

Have you ever watched Sailor Moon or similiar Anime, anyway? I watched enough and although there are some which really show some naked flesh, most are quite decent.

Also, you got that wrong. Human perversity doesn't exist because of pornography. If you really want to call what I call normal sexual behavior "perversity" then this perversity causes pornography. Supply and demand and all that.

And no I am not defending rape. Rape is not about living out your fantasies over saturday morning cartoons, its about power.

 

[Nithavela]

Hm... Japan. I would say in Japan the issue of rape is as high as anywhere else, it just isn't reported that often because people feel ashamed for being raped. But this has nothing to do with pornography, it moreso shows that porn just is a part of normal sexual behavior. Animals watch each other having sex and, for example, in colonies of bats the first couple copulating triggers the mating of all other couples because the watching of the act done by one couple highly stimulates the sexual appetite of all other couples. The need for stimuli as provided by pornography is fully natural and exists in many beings, only a few of these are humans. We just need more porn because of our cultural standarts, we have less sex then we want it.

 

[Questor]

I have never, in my life, seen a Disney-sanctioned interpretation of any of their characters, or their likenesses, displayed in any company-sanctioned manner. Considering Disney will sue people for damage of copyright if they sell a mouse who looks like Mickey, only wearing white shoes, yellow pants, and red gloves, I find it highly unprobable to completely unbelievable that there are any Disney-created pornographies out there, much less a campaign associated with these movies, directed at children.

It sounds like somebody is pulling a fast one on you, and instead of researching it, you pass it on.

Please try to read for comprehension: I NEVER STATED THAT DISNEY CREATED PORN CARTOONS.

QUOTE FROM MY POST:

"Every popular Disney cartoon character displayed having sex with each other. After Disney Enterprises have reaped the harvest, first of the movies themselves, then by the aggressive sales promotions of toys and games and CD's, even to food products and other useful items that familiarize the characters and make them sought out by children;

then the pornographers make generous use of them, as well."

Originally Posted by Questor
"Sorry, I disagree with simplistic rationales. I am well aware that Disney, Inc would try to make these uses of these loved cartoon characters illegal."

Please be so kind as to post your correction of your comments that I intended the kind of statements that you suggest I was making about Disney.

 

[Nithavela]

Disney tolerates this stuff floating around the internet because

A) Sueing it down would be impossible.
B) Trying it would advertise these drawings even more

and most importantly,

C) The people that get off to disney pr0n usually buy disney merchandise too.

 

[Questor]

Actually, considering my line of work and past lines of work, I've had a lot of contact with men and women in the sex industry. I don't argue that people who're forced into the industry are suffering, but to say that people who consentually entered the profession and now regret it are exploited isn't exactly true.

Depending on what your ethics and morals are. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with viewing pornography, or the pornography of the OP (cartoon).

I am finding it extremely difficult to accept your blithe comments about your extensive comments about men and women in the sex industry still lacking in any acknowledgement of damage to them.

What was your line of work? Were you also employed by those making money from pornography?

That's the only thing I can imagine that would be a logical basis for all that apologetics for the porn industry.

 

[Questor]

Ok, but you did say that they profit from it greatly with the phrase "first of the movies themselves," which gave the definate impression you were speaking of pornography, and then you reinforced that by talking about their "aggressive sales promotions" of tie in products.

I wasn't the only one who got the same impression from your post, so don't get mad at me... We didn't all band together and agree to misinterpret the same thing.

I think everybody is aware that we misunderstood the wording in your post to say something that you didn't intend on saying.

My sincere apologies, as I have no doubt that I did indeed word it very clumsily. What I meant was that Disney had all of it's profits. Then that the pornographers took advantage of the well-known Disney charaters for abuse.

That the thoughts and feelings of the innocent children whose parents confidently would buy anything from Disney was, in fact, another horrid, cold method of psychological degradation to make pornographers the maximum profit regardless of harm or cost.

A I see that my pointed comments about porn are simply not shared, I shall just leave the thread to those who are pro porn.

Good evening, then.

 

[Questor]

There you are, then.

Unsubscribing to thread now.

 

[Nithavela]

Aww please don't go .

 

[SallyNow]

The argument that porn does not exploit anyone may hold up when you are talking about mainstream American pornography.

But when you start talking about pornography made with children, made with drug addicts or other people not in their right mind, "peeping tom" pornography, when you deal with the issue of human trafficking, the issue of porn exlpoiting those in it is much more complicated.

There are even some people in the mainstream American porn industry who will take advantage of those who have no other ways to escape homelessness or other problems.

So, sure, Playboy and the drawn porn can keep going, and it is probably hurting very few. But there are forms of pornography that are damaging and dangerous, and they can't be ignored or just swept under the rug.

 

[.Sabre.]

It can be de-sensitising as the pictures/stories/movies/comics can show something very intense and so you need something more intense to actually get off on, creating a vicious cycle.

Having said that, it is also addictive.

It does portray people as sex objects, especially women.

 

[Steezie]

It can be de-sensitising as the pictures/stories/movies/comics can show something very intense and so you need something more intense to actually get off on, creating a vicious cycle.

Having looked at porn for years I can say that that is un-true

Having said that, it is also addictive.

Again, having looked at porn for years, I can say that that is un-true

It does portray people as sex objects, especially women.

How so? Everyboddy always says this....and nothing else, no one ever elaborates on it

 

[Allister]

do people draw distinctions between pornography and sexual scence depicted in films?