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Originally posted by JohnR7
You guys are starting to worry me now. I thought for sure there must be some practical application. So are you saying a degree in evolution is just sort of a general degree where you can say your a collage grad, but your not really trained to do anything?

Have you ever been to college? I am studing phyiscs, and evolution, and a few other things so that I can get a good job. But I am learning evolution cause I want to know about evolution and might want to be a biologist.
 
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I have never heard of a degree in evolution. I suppose you could get a masters degree studying evolutonary mechanisms. Who knows, then you might get a job in the newly developed field of applying evolutionary algorithyms to creating new software and electronics.

 

Most university degrees are not supposed to train you to do something specific.  How you apply the knowledge and ability to analyze and think critically is up to you.  Yes there are professional degrees such as medicine, nursing and engineering - but not all degrees are so geared towards pre determined careers.  Don't, as people often do, confuse a university education with the training certificate/diploma you get from a vocational college which are specifically for getting entry level jobs.
 
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Originally posted by Late_Cretaceous
I have never heard of a degree in evolution. I suppose you could get a masters degree studying evolutonary mechanisms. Who knows, then you might get a job in the newly developed field of applying evolutionary algorithyms to creating new software and electronics.

Heh well making software is important heh. :)
 
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Well, evolution is an integeral part of biology. Biologists get all kinds of differnt jobs, biologists with a lot of background in evolutionary studies might find careers also in the medical field curing diseases and such. NOt too shabby.
 
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I guess you can get a degree in evolution.

http://www-eve.ucdavis.edu/

A degree in evolution and ecology prepares the student for career opportunities in research, teaching, health professions, veterinary medicine, agriculture, environmental management, and industry.

Here you go john. You wanted to know what a degree in evolution got you.
 
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Originally posted by Late_Cretaceous
Well, evolution is an integeral part of biology. Biologists get all kinds of differnt jobs, biologists with a lot of background in evolutionary studies might find careers also in the medical field curing diseases and such. NOt too shabby.

I would love to be a Biologists one day. That would be great work.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
I guess you can get a degree in evolution.

http://www-eve.ucdavis.edu/



Here you go john. You wanted to know what a degree in evolution got you.

You know you could have found this if you did some research.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
Have you ever been to college?

I went to collage for a few years. I studied technical theater. Stage lighting and set design. But then I decided I did not want to work in theater for a living so I went into doing remodeling and renovation work.

 I am learning evolution cause I want to know about evolution and might want to be a biologist.

Then what? What sort of job can a biologist get? My mom had a degree in bacterology and about all it qualified her to do was to be a lab technician. But she only worked for a few years and then she went on to be a house wife.

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Kids/Biologist/bologist.htm
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
I went to collage for a few years. I studied technical theater. Stage lighting and set design. But then I decided I did not want to work in theater for a living so I went into doing remodeling and renovation work.



Then what? What sort of job can a biologist get? My mom had a degree in bacterology and about all it qualified her to do was to be a lab technician. But she only worked for a few years and then she went on to be a house wife.

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Kids/Biologist/bologist.htm

See I have something that I have rely on I am trying to get a degree in physics I can always join the navy or airforce and get a good job.

A lot of people do the samething I am doing, and that is getting a degree in more than one thing if they can.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
See I have something that I have rely on I am trying to get a degree in physics I can always join the navy or airforce and get a good job.

I have a friend who was a mechanic in the airforce. He works for one of the airlines now and makes pretty good money.
 
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Do you mean what has the Creator done for me? It is in Him I live and breath and have my being. I live on planet in a universe that He created. My relationship with our Creator is not only good for this life, but for all eternity to come.

if you're going to answer a question, answer it correctly, at least.  i wasn't asking what god did for you (if he did anything at all), i'm asking what creationism has done for you.  it's like you asking me what evolution has done for me and i answer that science has given us such great technology like computers and clean running water.
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
I went to collage for a few years. I studied technical theater. Stage lighting and set design. But then I decided I did not want to work in theater for a living so I went into doing remodeling and renovation work.

so, since technical theatre has done nothing for you except waste a bit of money and time to learn it, it is just as useless and redundant as learning evolution?
 
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What do I care? I don't want to know anything about darwinism.

you should.  you know why?  you are attempting to dispute the validity of someone's argument without even coming close to their level of expertise.  would you start arguing with your dentist just because a drill hurt your tooth a bit?  would you say he's not doing his job correctly, even though your knowledge of dentistry is minimal compared to his?  your only truly valid argument would be when there is an obvious error that both sides can recognize.
 
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Originally posted by Late_Cretaceous
Well, evolution is an integeral part of biology. Biologists get all kinds of differnt jobs, biologists with a lot of background in evolutionary studies might find careers also in the medical field curing diseases and such. NOt too shabby.

i was actually thinking of becoming either
1.  a doctor (the usual parent urging, but i do have an interest in it =))
2.  a geneticist (probably gene therapy)
3.  bioengineer.  my school is one of the few high schools that has a biotechnology course, but i didn't take it =(

i'll decide when i get into university, heh
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
And now what? What sort of a job does that qualify you for? Other then just to teach what you learned to someone else. Sorta like the fox chasing it's tail.

I'd advise you to check into what biologists are making these days before making such off-handed comments. The biotech sector is still very strong. I know several people that left college with a BS in biology and started in the 50k range. This isn't the 1960s.
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
You guys are starting to worry me now. I thought for sure there must be some practical application. So are you saying a degree in evolution is just sort of a general degree where you can say your a collage grad, but your not really trained to do anything?

You can get a job as an ecologist (population genetics and interrelationships among species), paleontologist, anthropologist, animal husbandry (artificial selection, rememmber?), drug designer (again natural selection), programmer for genetic algorithms (natural selection).

Or you can use the undergraduate degree as a stepping stone to graduate education in medicine, epidemiology, or pathology to name a few.
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7

Then what? What sort of job can a biologist get? My mom had a degree in bacterology and about all it qualified her to do was to be a lab technician. But she only worked for a few years and then she went on to be a house wife.

Some people enjoy working in laboratories doing research and adding to the collective knowledge of the scientific community. That's why some people become scientists, but not all people are cut out for it or actually want to do that with their lives.

And MSBS made a good point about starting salaries for biology majors. I know two people who recently graduated with a B.S. in biology and are making gobs of money. Not to mention people who study biology or biochemistry, etc. and decide to go off to medical school and become a doctor.

There are a wide variety of possibilities.

 

As for you not wanting to even know anything about darwinism (which I take to mean the theory of evolution, in this case), then how can you expect to accept or reject something you know virtually nothing about?
 
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Genesis: 1:20: And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of sky." 1:22: God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth."

These passages were written at a time when world travel was unknown and no individual of that time could have had knowledge of the dispersion of life systems on the planet. Yet they describe the condition that the first true seafaring nations discovered when they ventured away from their ancestral fishing grounds. In the late 1400's and the beginning of the 1500's, the Portugeuse fishermen sailed to the northeast coast of North America and found the fish stocks so thick that their boats had trouble making headway through the schools. When they brought their catch of cod back to their home ports, the word soon spread and the cod fishery off the Atlantic coast of Canada became that day's version of the gold rush. By the 1800's the fishermen were annually hauling away up to 400,000 metric ton a year of cod fish. By the 1960's they were annually hauling away up to 2,000,000 ton of cod fish. An average cod fish weighs about five or six pound. So you can see that is a lot of fish taken over the five centuries. It was so much that eventually the cod fishery collapsed. You can get that information from here;

www.ncr.dfo.ca/zone/underwater_sous-marin/atlantic/acod_e.htm

It wasn't long after the discovery of the abundant cod that the new breed of trans-ocean fishermen discovered the Great Auk. It was in such abundant number that they were killed for their oil, to be used as fish bait, or simply for their feathers. They were a land dwelling, fish hunting penguin that were so numerous that the feather hunters simply grabbed hold of them and plucked them while they were still alive and left them to freeze to death, not even bothering to use their carcasses. The ones who were after the Auk's oil set up huge cauldrons among the Auk colonies and boiled them down there on the seashore, many time not even bothering to kill them before throwing them into the great pots over the rending fires. They went extinct in the middle of the 1800's. You can read about that here;

www.speciesatrisk.gc.ca/species/search/SearchDetail_e.cfm?SpeciesID=9

You can apply the same type of scenarios for a multitude of other species and find the same was true for them, whether they were seals, caribou, buffalo, or animals, fish and birds from all the continents and oceans. Animals proliferate exponentially and that is why species reach phenomenal populations. Humans are the same in that regard as all the other species, only humans are much more readily adapted to every environment in which they can survive because of their superior thinking ability. The only thing that caused the decline in populations of all of the aforementioned great populations of animals was the wanton destruction of the herds, flocks and schools for immediate profit.

There were no mitigating circumstances in history which kept humans from increasing their population numbers. Wars and disease took their toll, but they in no way ever brought the human population to a standstill. Human populations grew exponentially as is evidenced by the populations of India and China. China had half a billion people before the industrial revolution even began. So did India. Industrial revolution doesn't speed up population growth, it slows it down. All modern rich countries have lower birth rates than those of the poor nations. So if we want to slow the population explosion, we have to modernize all poor nations, not wrack them with war and disease, which is the current policy.

When I have been saying that there is a clear demarcation between the modern ecosystem and the one that crashed about thirty thousand year ago, that is not to imply that none of the members of any of those species didn't die before 30,000 year ago. It is saying that the ecosystem change happened in our recent past and that leaves no evolution time for our finer type of organisms to have evolved from the hardier type of organisms which went extinct. It would be unreasonable, and non-scientific to believe that all the stronger type of organisms would have perished and all the weaker type of organisms survived whatever catastrophe was responsible for the sudden extinction of so many species. Effectively, there was an ecosystem change from a hardy ecosystem to a more delicate ecosystem. To look at individual extinctions and try to explain them without looking at all the extinctions as a group occurrence would, again, be un-scientific.
 
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