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Population Control
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Did anyone else get an unsolicited private message from someone called GiantGerbil (?) calling Bush an economic terrorist for sending 16 billion in aid to Africa and that the population is exploding even with AIDS and that they should just stop having sex?
I deleted the message and didn't reply. I thought it was actually before these last couple of threads (this and the contraception thread) brought up the subject here.
Just thought it was unusual to have gotten that pm out of the blue from someone I didn't know.
Marcia
I deleted the message and didn't reply. I thought it was actually before these last couple of threads (this and the contraception thread) brought up the subject here.
Just thought it was unusual to have gotten that pm out of the blue from someone I didn't know.
Marcia
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Lifesaver said:
Actually, I think it is about managing those resources properly. I wonder how many aluniumn cans and glass bottles are simply tossed into the trash? How much paper is thrown away instead of being recycled? How much plastic do we in developed countries, throw away in a day? All those things are sitting in landfills; land that could be used to grow food. We also ship most of our technology waste (old computers, moniters, TVs, etc.) to third world countries to end up in landfills; contanimating their land.
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geocajun
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This is a great article on overpopulation
Debunking the Overpopulation Myth
http://www.cuf.org/nonmemb/overpopulation.pdf
Debunking the Overpopulation Myth
http://www.cuf.org/nonmemb/overpopulation.pdf
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Lifesaver
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The text doesn't really answer any question. I just accuses (and rightly so) the practices of abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality and contraceptives that are usually defended by people who want to curb overpopulation (though I can assure you there is no "conspiracy behind it all").
The facts that the resources of Earth are limited and that we consume resources are not questionable, right? Sure, we can and must come up with new ways to use them and recycle them so as to minimize waste and make goods available for more people.
However, somethings will never be available to all. Cars that run on petrol, for instance, or swimming pools in their backyards. If everyone in the world were to have those today, petroleum and fresh water would soon be over.
Let's suppose, for the sake of the argument, that we manage to recycle everything we use (!) and that our means of producing energy are the most efficient and clean possible. Even then, the Earth having limited resources, will there be a limit to the maximum number of people this planet can accomodate giving a decent life to each.
Yes, it would be possible to give a decent life to every human being alive in Earth today if income was distributed more equally. But such is not the case. While we work to make it the case, to get the poorest people to have access to basic human needs and basic education, it is important that we teach everyone that they shouldn't have more kids than they can support.
Someone pointed out that, when development comes, birth rates naturally come down. That is true. But by what means do they come down? Contraceptives, abortions, homosexuality and all the things the Catholic Church condemns, which are every day more accepted in developed countries.
Don't fool yourselves: the population of Europe did not cease to grow as it did in centuries past thanks to NFP and abstinence... In fact, their inhabitants are more promiscuous now than they ever were.
So, we are faced with a great challenge: on the one side, make it so that human population doesn't exceed what the Earth (or the country, since there is no free movement of people between nations) can support; on the other, we must not go against God's natural laws and not disrespect His love for us. Impossible? I have faith that it is not.
The facts that the resources of Earth are limited and that we consume resources are not questionable, right? Sure, we can and must come up with new ways to use them and recycle them so as to minimize waste and make goods available for more people.
However, somethings will never be available to all. Cars that run on petrol, for instance, or swimming pools in their backyards. If everyone in the world were to have those today, petroleum and fresh water would soon be over.
Let's suppose, for the sake of the argument, that we manage to recycle everything we use (!) and that our means of producing energy are the most efficient and clean possible. Even then, the Earth having limited resources, will there be a limit to the maximum number of people this planet can accomodate giving a decent life to each.
Yes, it would be possible to give a decent life to every human being alive in Earth today if income was distributed more equally. But such is not the case. While we work to make it the case, to get the poorest people to have access to basic human needs and basic education, it is important that we teach everyone that they shouldn't have more kids than they can support.
Someone pointed out that, when development comes, birth rates naturally come down. That is true. But by what means do they come down? Contraceptives, abortions, homosexuality and all the things the Catholic Church condemns, which are every day more accepted in developed countries.
Don't fool yourselves: the population of Europe did not cease to grow as it did in centuries past thanks to NFP and abstinence... In fact, their inhabitants are more promiscuous now than they ever were.
So, we are faced with a great challenge: on the one side, make it so that human population doesn't exceed what the Earth (or the country, since there is no free movement of people between nations) can support; on the other, we must not go against God's natural laws and not disrespect His love for us. Impossible? I have faith that it is not.
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Population control is a lie.Rosa Mystica said:Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone here could help me. I have a friend who is a "devout Catholic" (notice the quotes), who says that population control is necessary in many Third World countries today (he keeps citing India as an example). Being Catholic, I vehemently oppose this kind of initiative. Does anyone here know any good arguments against population control? My only ammunition is the "It's against God's Will" argument, but you know how many people twist this statement around.
Thoughts?
http://www.geocities.com/okc_catholic/articles/SW_rebuttal1.html
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Dominus Fidelis
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Rosa Mystica said:Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone here could help me. I have a friend who is a "devout Catholic" (notice the quotes), who says that population control is necessary in many Third World countries today (he keeps citing India as an example). Being Catholic, I vehemently oppose this kind of initiative. Does anyone here know any good arguments against population control? My only ammunition is the "It's against God's Will" argument, but you know how many people twist this statement around.
Thoughts?
Rosa
My Arlington Catholic Herald newspaper has an article about how Europe's fertility rates have dropped to the point where the population will decline severly in years to come and there won't be enough people to have a solid work force...
Here is some info I found:
http://www.globalaging.org/health/world/depopulationeuropejapan.htm
All part of the contraceptive culture of death, or so it seems to me...
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nyj said:
What do you mean by this? Do you mean to say that it's an immoral action? Something that demographic "experts" made up? Both? Something else?
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LongingForLight
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I'm a little concerned by some comments made in this thread that seem to indicate that NFP & abstinence are acceptable means of population control.
That seems to indicate a contraceptive mentality, which is not in keeping with the spirit of the Church's teaching, to the best of my undrstanding. Comments?
That seems to indicate a contraceptive mentality, which is not in keeping with the spirit of the Church's teaching, to the best of my undrstanding. Comments?
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Dominus Fidelis
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Romania still has more abortions than live births.
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=27591
And Russia has 6 out of 10 pregnancies end in abortion.
The world is not listening to the Blessed Virgin Mary when she warned that the errors of Russia will lead to catastrophic results...she and the Son can only hold back the Father's hand so long...she said that it would be worse than the flood.
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Also...
"In spite of global alarm over disastrous population decline in the developed world, Democrat state Rep. Maralyn Chase has introduced a bill to the Washington State House that would require state health authorities to issue a pamphlet to "encourage" families to limit the number of children to two or fewer."
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=27590
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=27591
And Russia has 6 out of 10 pregnancies end in abortion.
The world is not listening to the Blessed Virgin Mary when she warned that the errors of Russia will lead to catastrophic results...she and the Son can only hold back the Father's hand so long...she said that it would be worse than the flood.
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Also...
"In spite of global alarm over disastrous population decline in the developed world, Democrat state Rep. Maralyn Chase has introduced a bill to the Washington State House that would require state health authorities to issue a pamphlet to "encourage" families to limit the number of children to two or fewer."
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=27590
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Population control? Tell people to control their hormones and keep sexual intercourse within the confines of the sacred marriage vows.
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