Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

Braunwyn · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
Don't know how he thinks it should be dealt with, but here's my thought.

"Gays" (to include all those who practice "alternative" sexuality) and their advocates stop trying to claim the institute of marriage. It is sacred and not theirs to participate in. Let them have their civil unions, but have the respect to recognize that marriage is an institute of God. If you don't believe in God respect that there are those of us who do.

We all deal with immoral things. I guarantee if you have kids and one of them lies to you you will deal with it.

Marriage is not yours nor does it belong to your deity. I certainly take no issue with the various religious sects wanting to keep gay marriage out of their church, it's their right. Frankly, I don't know why religious people obtain marriage licenses by the state since you (general you) consider your marriages to involve your gods. You really have no business doing so (given that the state is not a deity) nor do you have any business trying to impose your religious interpretation on to secular, state-sanctioned marriage.

geekgirlkelli · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
Maybe your delivery needs work.

No, I really think your reading comprehension needs work. No one else has any trouble understanding what I write.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
Don't know how he thinks it should be dealt with, but here's my thought.

"Gays" (to include all those who practice "alternative" sexuality) and their advocates stop trying to claim the institute of marriage. It is sacred and not theirs to participate in. Let them have their civil unions, but have the respect to recognize that marriage is an institute of God. If you don't believe in God respect that there are those of us who do.

We all deal with immoral things. I guarantee if you have kids and one of them lies to you you will deal with it.

Marriage existed before Christianity, you adopted it from the pagans and it is not your sole domain.

mpok1519 · Dec 26, 2008

marriage is no one's to claim.

thats like saying "this rock is mine" or "the sky is mine" or "the moon is mine"

geekgirlkelli · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
Don't know how he thinks it should be dealt with, but here's my thought.

"Gays" (to include all those who practice "alternative" sexuality) and their advocates stop trying to claim the institute of marriage. It is sacred and not theirs to participate in. Let them have their civil unions, but have the respect to recognize that marriage is an institute of God. If you don't believe in God respect that there are those of us who do.

We all deal with immoral things. I guarantee if you have kids and one of them lies to you you will deal with it.

To add to what others have said...

A) You don't have an exclusive license to God.

B) You don't have an exclusive license to marriage.

C) It is very hypocritical of you to say that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, considering that marriage has become a civil institution regulated by the government.

In another thread you said that charity is something that shouldn't be forced upon you by the government, yet Jesus commanded Christians to be charitable. IOW, you don't want something commanded to YOU in your own Bible to be legislated by the government, yet you want to force legislation on us based on your Bible. As I said before, and you took what I said totally out of context, that is extraordinarily hypocritical. You can't have it both ways and only when it works for you.

mpok1519 · Dec 26, 2008

geekgirlkelli said:
To add to what others have said...

A) You don't have an exclusive license to God.

B) It is very hypocritical of you to say that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, considering that marriage has become a civil institution regulated by the government.

In another thread you said that charity is something that shouldn't be forced upon you by the government, yet Jesus commanded Christians to be charitable. IOW, you don't even want something commanded in your own Bible to be legislated by the government, yet you want to force legislation on us based on your Bible. As I said before, and you took what I said totally out of context, that is extraordinarily hypocritical. You can't it both ways and only when it works for you.

Very well spoken

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
Marriage existed before Christianity, you adopted it from the pagans and it is not your sole domain.

I didn't say it didn't exist before Christianity. It was given to man and woman (Adam and Eve) by God. It was not invented by the pagans.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
I didn't say it didn't exist before Christianity. It was given to man and woman (Adam and Eve) by God. It was not invented by the pagans.

You idea of god does not define what anyone else can or cannot do in fact many of us do not believe that god has anything to do with any civil rights and you have no basis to force anyone to go with your opinion.

WhatThe · Dec 26, 2008

Here's an interesting question.
If Adam and Eve were, to begin with, the only people on Earth, and everyone was descended from them, logic says they would have passed their "knowledge" of god down the generations...
So how does that, then, account for 'godless' people who had to be 'saved' by Christian missionaries...?

OphidiaPhile · Dec 26, 2008

WhatThe said:
Here's an interesting question.
If Adam and Eve were, to begin with, the only people on Earth, and everyone was descended from them, logic says they would have passed their "knowledge" of god down the generations...
So how does that, then, account for 'godless' people who had to be 'saved' by Christian missionaries...?

And of course we would all be descended from incest and all mitochondrial DNA would be able to be traced back to the same originator which it is not.

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

geekgirlkelli said:
To add to what others have said...
A) You don't have an exclusive license to God.

Did I say I did? All Christians have direct access to God. Anyone who accepts Christ has a "license to God".

B) You don't have an exclusive license to marriage.

You who have made claims to having been a Christian for 20 years, "on fire" I might add, surely recognizes that the Bible disagrees with your statement.

C) It is very hypocritical of you to say that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, considering that marriage has become a civil institution regulated by the government.

Sorry, but I put the word of God over and above what the government thinks.

In another thread you said that charity is something that shouldn't be forced upon you by the government, yet Jesus commanded Christians to be charitable.

The scriptures also spoke at great length about how doing things because you had to do them was meaningless. "Dead works" If the government makes you do something it is dead works. Meaningless.

IOW, you don't want something commanded to YOU in your own Bible to be legislated by the government, yet you want to force legislation on us based on your Bible.

What business does the government have being involved with legislating anything to do with the Bible? What happened to separation of Church and state? How come you don't seem to have an issue with the government getting itself involved in a Christian institution like marriage? Either they are separate or not.

As I said before, and you took what I said totally out of context, that is extraordinarily hypocritical. You can't have it both ways and only when it works for you.

And like I said it seems your delivery needs work. I've been very consistent with what I've said. I've maintained all along that forced charity is meaningless to God. Don't believe in God? I'll give you another one to gnaw on; forced charity is entirely against the US's constitutional principles. Especially when that forced charity comes by way of taxation.

As far as my position on marriage goes it is based on the fact that I don't believe the government has ANY business being involved with it. I've spent the vast majority of my life as a heathen and even as one I've always been firmly against the idea of the government having anything whatsoever to do with marriage. That's not changed because I'm a Christian. Government has no business being involved with marriage at any level.

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

WhatThe said:
Here's an interesting question.
If Adam and Eve were, to begin with, the only people on Earth, and everyone was descended from them, logic says they would have passed their "knowledge" of god down the generations...
So how does that, then, account for 'godless' people who had to be 'saved' by Christian missionaries...?

Glad you asked.

(Romans 1:18-25) - The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen

Braunwyn · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
I didn't say it didn't exist before Christianity. It was given to man and woman (Adam and Eve) by God. It was not invented by the pagans.

Believe what you will but please don't expect all people to adhere to such nonsense. eta: and don't think the story of Adam and Eve has any place in the role state-sanctioned marriage.

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
And of course we would all be descended from incest and all mitochondrial DNA would be able to be traced back to the same originator which it is not.

There was a flood that all but cut off the original race of humans from the "new" race.

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

Braunwyn said:
Believe what you will but please don't expect all people to adhere to such nonsense.

Yeah sorry we all can't be as "enlightened" and "free" thinking as you.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
There was a flood that all but cut off the original race of humans from the "new" race.

You really should study genetics as it does not make any case whatsoever for biblical creation nor what you just said.

Braunwyn · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
Yeah sorry we all can't be as "enlightened" and "free" thinking as you.

I don't care what you think or what you believe. Religious marriage is not state-sanctioned marriage. period.

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

Braunwyn said:
I don't care what you think or what you believe. Religious marriage is not state-sanctioned marriage. period.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Your thoughts and opinions are of no concern to me. Period.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 26, 2008

bsd13 said:
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Your thoughts and opinions are of no concern to me. Period.

But ultimately she is correct as the government could not care less what the church thinks of marriage.

bsd13 · Dec 26, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
But ultimately she is correct as the government could not care less what the church thinks of marriage.

Time will tell

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