Pope John Paul II is in Hell...

dario68w said:

The simpsons baseball episode?

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dario68W.....did you notice that that was your post number 666???????!!!

Join Date: 10th September 2012
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Posts: 666
Blessings: 49,555 [Bless]

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Somebody once wrote that 5 was number of grace.......grace x grace x GRACE...… at the same time as post number 666........Wow......I wonder if somebody could explain that one for us??????!!!!!

Perhaps.......


Psalms 37:23 The steps of a [good] man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Sorry.....but about a month or so ago I made post number 1666 and noticed I had 27,777 blessings......at the same time........Those things just seem kind of strange????!!!

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Could it be possible.........that maybe .........perhaps we should NOT enjoy The Simpsons so much!!!!????

DennisTate said:

I found the NDE account of Colton Burpo fascinating. He reports seeing King David, Samson, Peter, John, Mary/Myriam the mother of Messiah Jesus / Yeshua right there in heaven with Jesus. Also Colton was shown his white horse......… That is on the 17 minute CBN interview.....And so encouraging how he was shown his older sister who had been miscarried.........as an adult in heaven.........

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I dont discount all NDE's.
I discount ones without verifiable proof of one's death.

No witnesses except the mom - who left her lay there for 23 hours without even calling a dr, a hospital, EMT's, a single police office as a witness.
No one to check her heart rate to see if she 'died'...


I have no doubt all are with the Lord, especially His Mom.
I mean - we who are imperfect have a certain love/connection to our moms. Imagine being the Lord Who gets to create her and form her and be within her.

Imagine the Love He is - and then imagine how much more He has for the woman He made to be His Mom and whom did His will perfectly.

DennisTate said:

dario68W.....did you notice that that was your post number 666???????!!!




Somebody once wrote that 5 was number of grace.......grace x grace x GRACE...… at the same time as post number 666........Wow......I wonder if somebody could explain that one for us??????!!!!!

Perhaps.......


Psalms 37:23 The steps of a [good] man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Sorry.....but about a month or so ago I made post number 1666 and noticed I had 27,777 blessings......at the same time........Those things just seem kind of strange????!!!

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Could it be possible.........that maybe .........perhaps we should NOT enjoy The Simpsons so much!!!!????

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That number happens every 1000 posts.
Superstition can drag a person down and give them anxieties. Best not to look for signs like that.

Its just a number that coincides with something symbolic in Revelation.

Tho i dont watch or care for the Simpsons - relax.

I. JPII isn't a saint; his last alleged 'miracle' was a hoax.

II. This quack of a seer isn't worth a fig in the whole revelation department . . .

Besides, everyone knows that the Rapture's a fable and innovation; a fictitious doctrine invented by a Scots Presbyterian minister in the mid-19th century.

Virgil the Roman said:

I. JPII isn't a saint; his last alleged 'miracle' was a hoax.

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A doesn't follow from b

There were 3 miracles and none of them were renounced.
Careful where you get your news sources.

RomanRite said:

Let me conclude by saying I studied this story many times because I remember hearing about this as a Protestant 3 years ago, and that wasn't long ago.

1. Note that in this story she claims she saw the virgin mary crying because she was begging souls on earth to stop worshiping her. Do we notice something here? Anti Catholicism, and the Church alone is truth, thus we know this is completely false due to the early Christians asking for her intercession. If mary was really crying about her being worshiped, it was towards the pagan groups such as the sactarias (puerto rican Pagan group) who literally do worship her as "God" (atleast one of them).

2. She also claims that she "saw" Michael Jackson in hell moonwalking with the demons, give me a break. Note this story was put together in 2009 around his death, thus who wouldn't make a claim like this fraud to get people worked up due to him being so popular around his death even more then when he lived. If you ask me, it sounds like as if Michael is having a good time since she mentioned he was moonwalking in hell, I mean this is non sense. She also mentioned seeing many family members and other music artists like Egyptian Christians return to worship in church destroyed by Muslim Brotherhood | Fox News, but note this girl is also hispanic, and in hispanic culture they really admire her. I know this because I am Hispanic, thus why out of all artists would she mention seeing Selina out of all artists who passed? If you ask me this seems very Satanic and pagan due to her trying to contact with the dead.

3. The mother of this girl also claims of seeing her daughter smiling, crying, sweating etc while she was "dead". Does this not seem fishy?

God Bless!

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Stop that!! Stop that right now!! No common sense allowed!! (Oh, I am not hispanic, but I liked Selina as well.) Now back on topic, you are supposed to drop all common sense and skepticism and believe, or you don't have faith - which if ya lack, is highly frowned upon. A sort of litmus test, if ya will.

Ya get an A+ for your post.

WarriorAngel said:

I dont discount all NDE's.
I discount ones without verifiable proof of one's death.

No witnesses except the mom - who left her lay there for 23 hours without even calling a dr, a hospital, EMT's, a single police office as a witness.
No one to check her heart rate to see if she 'died'...


I have no doubt all are with the Lord, especially His Mom.
I mean - we who are imperfect have a certain love/connection to our moms. Imagine being the Lord Who gets to create her and form her and be within her.

Imagine the Love He is - and then imagine how much more He has for the woman He made to be His Mom and whom did His will perfectly.

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WarriorAngel.....I really don't blame you for being skeptical of this particular NDE but I have made a good online friend from Israel who is heavily involved in the efforts to move the remains of Rabbi Nachman from the Ukraine to Israel.

I didn't even know who Rabbi Nachman was until about two or three years ago after meeting Mordecai but now I am convinced that his teachings can play a massive role to help unite Christian Mystics with Jewish Mystics and Islamic Mystics.....and set the stage for a new sort of peace agreement in the Middle East based on an ancient Islamic prophecy that before the day of judgment comes........the deserts of the Islamic nations will be turned green.......and money becomes so abundant that it will be difficult to find anybody who will accept charity of any form.........

Rabbi Nachman taught about the reality of purgatory and hell environments more than the vast majority of other Jewish Mystics. His wisdom is based on many out of the body experiences in which he saw what was going on.....and he.....according to my friend spent about eighty percent of his time assisting the dead to go up to higher levels........to get out of whatever level of shame - guilt - despair.....that they got into.........which can happen when somebody has a massive calling on their lives and yet miss awesome opportunities to alter the future.......

In 1979 I heard the theory that God asked the prophet Elijah...."What doest thou here Elijah" after Elijah fled to Mt. Horeb...........because God wanted to do a massive fire from heaven event similar to II Kings chapter 1........on Queen Jezebel and her armies.......and turn the northern kingdom of Israel back to God........and prevent the holocaust on the Northern Kingdom by the Assyrian Empire from occurring..........or at least delay it........

If the Angelica Zambrano vision is valid......Pope John Paul II may be being prepared for an other Ezekiel 37 event in which the Nazi era is off the scale altered???????!!!!!!

WarriorAngel said:

That number happens every 1000 posts.
Superstition can drag a person down and give them anxieties. Best not to look for signs like that.

Its just a number that coincides with something symbolic in Revelation.

Tho i dont watch or care for the Simpsons - relax.

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LOL!!!!!!

I have to admit that although I don't watch them very often on those occasions when I did I have to admit that they were funny!!!!

I personally think that those many somewhat unusual coincidences like that can encourage us and may well indicate that we are being guided by God at a greater level than we might at first imagine.........even ancient King Cyrus who did not know God........was taken by the right hand!!!!????

So how much more so those of us who do know God and ask to be guided!!??


1] Thus saith the Lord to my anointed Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of, to subdue nations before his face, and to turn the backs of kings, and to open the doors before him, and the gates shall not be shut.....................For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have made a likeness of thee, and thou hast not known me. [5] I am the Lord, and there is none else: there is no God, besides me: I girded thee, and thou hast not known me:

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/27045.htm

DennisTate said:

WarriorAngel.....I really don't blame you for being skeptical of this particular NDE but I have made a good online friend from Israel who is heavily involved in the efforts to move the remains of Rabbi Nachman from the Ukraine to Israel.

I didn't even know who Rabbi Nachman was until about two or three years ago after meeting Mordecai but now I am convinced that his teachings can play a massive role to help unite Christian Mystics with Jewish Mystics and Islamic Mystics.....and set the stage for a new sort of peace agreement in the Middle East based on an ancient Islamic prophecy that before the day of judgment comes........the deserts of the Islamic nations will be turned green.......and money becomes so abundant that it will be difficult to find anybody who will accept charity of any form.........

Rabbi Nachman taught about the reality of purgatory and hell environments more than the vast majority of other Jewish Mystics. His wisdom is based on many out of the body experiences in which he saw what was going on.....and he.....according to my friend spent about eighty percent of his time assisting the dead to go up to higher levels........to get out of whatever level of shame - guilt - despair.....that they got into.........which can happen when somebody has a massive calling on their lives and yet miss awesome opportunities to alter the future.......

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When you say higher levels - you mean progressing in purgatory towards Heaven and remitting sins faster..?

In 1979 I heard the theory that God asked the prophet Elijah...."What doest thou here Elijah" after Elijah fled to Mt. Horeb...........because God wanted to do a massive fire from heaven event similar to II Kings chapter 1........on Queen Jezebel and her armies.......and turn the northern kingdom of Israel back to God........and prevent the holocaust on the Northern Kingdom by the Assyrian Empire from occurring..........or at least delay it........

If the Angelica Zambrano vision is valid......Pope John Paul II may be being prepared for an other Ezekiel 37 event in which the Nazi era is off the scale altered???????!!!!!!

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JPll has passed on.
What do you mean?

And tho some skeptics dont believe he rests eternally in Heaven - as signs - ppl have been healed who sought his aid.

DennisTate said:

LOL!!!!!!

I have to admit that although I don't watch them very often on those occasions when I did I have to admit that they were funny!!!!

I personally think that those many somewhat unusual coincidences like that can encourage us and may well indicate that we are being guided by God at a greater level than we might at first imagine.........even ancient King Cyrus who did not know God........was taken by the right hand!!!!????

So how much more so those of us who do know God and ask to be guided!!??


1] Thus saith the Lord to my anointed Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of, to subdue nations before his face, and to turn the backs of kings, and to open the doors before him, and the gates shall not be shut.....................For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have made a likeness of thee, and thou hast not known me. [5] I am the Lord, and there is none else: there is no God, besides me: I girded thee, and thou hast not known me:

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Prophecy Of Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 45

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Superstition.
That number - unless someone is being pure evil - doesnt mean anything.
It is just a number.

And it has to exist - because it's chronological between 665 and 667 - we cant well skip past it...it would mess up the entire mathematical world and filter down to everything.

SO the number is innocent - its the one who bears the mark [symbolically could mean anything] that has the issues.

Tigg said:

Stop that!! Stop that right now!! No common sense allowed!! (Oh, I am not hispanic, but I liked Selina as well.) Now back on topic, you are supposed to drop all common sense and skepticism and believe, or you don't have faith - which if ya lack, is highly frowned upon. A sort of litmus test, if ya will.

Ya get an A+ for your post.

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haha

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Anti-Catholics are so funny.... "One must only accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to go to heaven!" .... Catholics accept Jesus as Lord and Savior... "Catholics are going to hell for this reason, that reason, oh and for this reason..." So...... I thought as long as Jesus is accepted as Lord and Savior we're ok???? At worst Catholics are wasting earthly time.

Accept Jesus
Ok I accept Jesus
You're hell bound heathen!
but I accept Jesus???
Too bad, Mary worshipper!!!!

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My wife and I attended as many of the Alpha meetings as we could a few years ago. A Catholic Priest did the final meeting and we both agreed that he was one of the most powerful speakers that we had ever heard in our lives......Both she and I talked about going to his meetings in Halifax (150 miles away) if and when we got the chance. I suspect that Miss Zambrano is really just hoping for people to become on fire for God and is not primarily interested in getting somebody to change denominations........as long as they have found a place that will feed their fire!!!!!

The Charismatic Catholics and zealous on fire Catholics that I know seem to have a depth of wisdom and understanding and patience and love for others that seems far more mature than what I tend to meet in Protestant churches!!!

WarriorAngel said:

When you say higher levels - you mean progressing in purgatory towards Heaven and remitting sins faster..?



JPll has passed on.
What do you mean?

And tho some skeptics dont believe he rests eternally in Heaven - as signs - ppl have been healed who sought his aid.

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I have also read information that indicates lower levels of heaven and higher levels of heaven and then there seems to be even more to what happens afterward even than that!!!??

Dr. George Ritchie saw several purgatory/ hell levels.....then several levels of heaven......but the people in each of those heavenly levels did not see George or Jesus as he was giving the tour which fits amazingly well with String Theory.

Apparently in five dimensional space - time electromagnetism would be a component of gravity...but time would be altered. Sixth dimensional space time would be invisible to somebody whose energy level was in the fifth dimension....and so on and so on. Bosonic String Theory indicates 26 separate dimensions.

I personally am convinced that the percentage of Catholics in heaven is just as high as Messianic Gentiles.....which is what I would have to call myself??!!

Actually getting into heaven seems to have far more to do with attitude than which denomination we belong to.

A case can be presented that more women make it up to the highest levels of heaven perhaps due to the tendency for us guys to use religion as something to debate over or whack somebody else over the head with......or to pat ourselves on the back with??!! (Been there.....done that......got the T-shirt.....and don't want to go back there again)!!!!

....I looked at the thrones. I looked at those who were now seated. I could recognize some of the great heroes of the faith, but most of those seated I knew had not even been well known on earth. Many I knew had been missionaries who had expended their lives in obscurity. They had never cared to be remember on earth, but only to Him. I was a bit surprised to see some who had been wealthy, or rulers who had been faithful with what they had been given. However, it seemed that faithful, praying women and mothers occupied more thrones than any other single group. (Rick Joyner, The Vision)

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DennisTate said:

I have also read information that indicates lower levels of heaven and higher levels of heaven and then there seems to be even more to what happens afterward even than that!!!??

Dr. George Ritchie saw several purgatory/ hell levels.....then several levels of heaven......but the people in each of those heavenly levels did not see George or Jesus as he was giving the tour which fits amazingly well with String Theory.

Apparently in five dimensional space - time electromagnetism would be a component of gravity...but time would be altered. Sixth dimensional space time would be invisible to somebody whose energy level was in the fifth dimension....and so on and so on. Bosonic String Theory indicates 26 separate dimensions.

I personally am convinced that the percentage of Catholics in heaven is just as high as Messianic Gentiles.....which is what I would have to call myself??!!

Actually getting into heaven seems to have far more to do with attitude than which denomination we belong to.

A case can be presented that more women make it up to the highest levels of heaven perhaps due to the tendency for us guys to use religion as something to debate over or whack somebody else over the head with......or to pat ourselves on the back with??!! (Been there.....done that......got the T-shirt.....and don't want to go back there again)!!!!

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I have a theory of why women hold more 'higher roles' in Heaven.
Jesus said the 1st shall be last and the last shall be first.
In Catholicism - the couple is equal - but in some sects - men demand their wives submit.
Putting themselves first.

Anyway - yah i heard there are levels.

I read about souls in purgatory all the time who spoke to mystics.
Good books out there.

WarriorAngel said:

I have a theory of why women hold more 'higher roles' in Heaven.
Jesus said the 1st shall be last and the last shall be first.
In Catholicism - the couple is equal - but in some sects - men demand their wives submit.
Putting themselves first.

Anyway - yah i heard there are levels.

I read about souls in purgatory all the time who spoke to mystics.
Good books out there.

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Extremely well said WarriorAngel!!!

And what is also fascinating is that Jewish Mystics such as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov who had out of the body experiences confirmed much of what is being reported by near death experiencers and Christian Mystics!!!!

The stage is being set for a level of unity that could not have been imagined even three decades ago before these NDE accounts began to become common knowledge!

Say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel that are associated with him, and I will put them together with the stick of Juda, and will make them one stick: and they shall be one in his hand.[20] And the sticks whereon thou hast written, shall be in thy hand, before their eyes.
[21] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from the midst of the nations whither they are gone: and I will gather them on every side, and will bring them to their own land. [22] And I will make them one nation in the land on the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king over them all: and they shall no more be two nations, neither shall they be divided any more into
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(Ezekiel 37)

WarriorAngel said:

Superstition.
That number - unless someone is being pure evil - doesnt mean anything.
It is just a number.

And it has to exist - because it's chronological between 665 and 667 - we cant well skip past it...it would mess up the entire mathematical world and filter down to everything.

SO the number is innocent - its the one who bears the mark [symbolically could mean anything] that has the issues.

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On the other hand perhaps one of the most significant near death experience cases, strangely enough occurred on June 3 - 6, 1966 and in my opinion was set up in such a way that is a metaphorical Yom Kippur event that could only have been set up by two sources..............either extreme light or extreme darkness.........In my opinion.....this was set up by Extreme Light/ LOVE/ PEACE/ JOY/ PATIENCE/ HUMILITY?????!!!!

But I am no expert and that is merely my opinion????!!!!

Only days after our engagement, while working on a construction site on June 3rd, 1966, I fell down a 37 foot piling shaft, crushed one of my vertebrae to half size, badly fractured two others and tore all my inner organs out of place. A few days after that, I died and had a Near Death Experience during which I met and talked with Jesus, Elijah and Moses, in a scene which mirrored the Transfiguration. We discussed a "project" in which we were all involved, a project which had to do with the development of human spiritual consciousness and which involved many thousands of people over thousands of years. I describe the NDE in detail in both The Thomas Book and The Prayer of Silence, since it is at the base of the relationship I established with Yeshua (Jesus), which allowed me to write The Thomas Book, and which opened up to me the inner nature of human consciousness in a dramatic way and gave me clues to practicing and teaching the kind of meditation I later learned from spiritual sources and wrote intoThe Prayer of Silence. The rest of my life was given focus and impetus in the Near Death Experience. It is the pivot on which everything else swings.

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(Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D., ThomasTwin.com)

Saying that John Paul the Great is in hell is just like saying Mother Theresa suffered the same fate...

They, like so many saints, had many faults but they were human after all. Despite their flaws they stuck true to Jesus' teachings and preached His word. If they're in hell, I doubt there's much need of any hope in our own salvation...

MKJ said:

I think the only thing you can know for sure is that the vision doesn't tell you anything against what the Church teaches. But it could still be just from your brain. I could have a vision right now that was perfectly orthodox, and it was a product of my brain.

That is why when the CC approved visions as not teaching anything incorrect, they still are not saying that they are authentic. (Which also means that anything they say about the future might be total bollocks.)

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Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman is another Einstein for our time period.

He has written that perhaps hypnotic states of mind can practically act as a veritable time machine. I agree with him but one of the mistakes that we deeply religious people make is we confine/nail down Ezekiel chapter 37 to being a one time future event.......and we do not realize the full implications of the fact that G-d can replicate the earth.........exactly as
it was in 1988 or '89........and spin off an entirely new branch of time in which.......world events are vastly better............and do all of that without even working up a sweat...........

In my opinion.........Pope John Paul II......volunteered to go back into...
1988 or '89 and has initiated an entirely new and VASTLY improved branch of time......in comparison to what a Dr. Chet Snow saw in his rather extensive psychological study.

The catastrophic earth changes that Dr. Chet Snow found to occur.....
by the end of 2012.....may actually have occurred in another branch of time.......but in our branch of time.......Pope John Paul II came back......and along with President Ronald Reagan cooperated to initiate a vastly better future for all of us........

Miss Zambrano........saw something and tended to perceive it in a certain way partly due to her own human bias.........She probably called it as she saw it........ but at this time I doubt that Miss Zambrano fully understands how time itself may well look far more like a tree.......or a menorah.....than a straight line as we tend to suppose.............

Back in 2010 I asked some questions, got them translated and sent to a friend of ours in Ecuador who had a near death experience and has a reputation for being extremely accurate. Her reply was confusing to me because she stated that Hebrew would be spoken on land that I own in Nova Scotia. At this time most young people are leaving Nova Scotia because the economy has been pretty bad so I was confused as to why people who spoke Hebrew would come to where I live????!!!! By 2012 I finally got the translation in writing and posted to a forum here for prayer and advice.......

I woke up this morning knowing how this perhaps to what Pope John Paul II is really doing because back in 1990/'91 I was given a message about him that made zero sense to me at that time..........Pope John Paul II is involved in altering the future........Miss Zambrano got a taste of how difficult it is to set in motion
entirely new and improved branches of time.......

I SAW THAT THESE PLACES WERE BOUGHT TO HAVE ENCOUNTERS OF CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE, IN WHERE THE PRECIOUS HOLY
SPIRIT WILL MOVE IN AN AMAZING WAY AND WILL KEEP THIS GENERATION FOR GOD ALONG WITH THEIR PARENTS, BECAUSE IT IS A
GENERATION THAT IS BEING LOST INTO THE HANDS OF THE ENEMY… THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS SPOKEN IS HEBREW ..... I SAY IT IN REVELATION….

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