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Just hope that chicken you ate for lunch is in a forgiving mood when you get the heaven!
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Pope Francis: Animals Can Go to Heaven
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More like he's turning it into something God might actually not mind. You know, an institution built on the teachings of Jesus and not legalism, power, elitism, and corruption?
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Being built on Jesus is something radically different than what the pope keeps proposing.
I'm glad he's not my spokesperson.
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What has he proposed that is radically different than Jesus' teachings?
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Oh, the fact that you don't have to believe in God, the fact that non-believers can be good without God, the idea that we shouldn't tell sinners they're sinning...
I could go on, but I think that's a pretty good example.
He is opening the wide road. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not be on the wide road.
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He did, but this isn't the thread to debate it.
I stand by what I wrote.
I get that he was being "comforting" to this little boy, but we can't say with certainty if pets/animals will be in heaven or not. It's a nice thought, sure, but it's on the shelf next to the "heaven just got another angel" thought process.
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Ok, but what you wrote is wrong. Read the interpretations of his statements. He never said atheists go to Heaven without accepting Jesus. He was speaking of redemption and good works, not Salvation.
It would be kind of odd to have animals in Eden but not in the New Heaven would it not?
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Indeed, but I think the problem is whether those animals would be new animals created by God, or if they had previous lives here on Earth.
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A response to whether animals go to heaven based on if they posses a soul or not?
Oh yeah... I have a response to that but I doubt you'd like to hear it.
I can't believe adult human beings would seriously debate whether animals go to heaven or not. But then again, I can't believe any adult would seriously believe in heaven.
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I would have to agree with you here, Inka. I don't see how this is a "conservative/liberal" kind of thing.
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I won't be able to back up that claim because the only way it can be found is by looking. Go to an outback church somewhere and beliefs just like animals not having souls will pour out along with hundreds of other arbitrary conclusions.
I don't know why you are all about the subject of discrimination rather then theology, but I do not have any appeal to your feelings on such matters. Do not challenge me on things you basically will refuse to acknowledge no matter what I say.
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If you are not a believer then this is not an issue for you.
Think the pope is on good grounds here and whatever you think about the authority he has i see him using it to good effect here and provoking even secular people to see and ask a little more.
The new Creation would be pretty empty without the full range of Gods restored creations.
The biblical reason I believe animals will share the afterlife with us is the account of the genocide in Canaan. The animals in that culture were considered to have been so integrated into the wickedness of that culture that they were wiped out with their owners. So if God commanded this what about when the opposite is true. When a pet is the recipient of so much love and even learns to show love back then I cannot see why a God whose character is love would sever the link in eternity. The account of Baalam seems to indicate that sometimes animals see things that humans do not and can even be used to rebuke humans. Also isn't the ark of Noah a sort of model of animal salvation
As to what is meant by an animal having a soul I am not sure if we can say that in the same way humans have a soul. Animals for all their beauty are not made in Gods image. So while I believe animals may share in eternal life I am an annihilationist regarding those whom God will not raise. They will neither burn or continue to exist.
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News update, Nope, Pope Francis Didn't Say Dogs Were Going to Heaven
(RNS) When Pope Francis recently sought to comfort a distraught boy whose dog had died, the pontiff took the sort of pastoral approach he is famous for telling the youngster not to worry, that he would one day see his pet in heaven.
Paradise is open to all of Gods creatures, Francis said reassuringly.
It was a sparkling moment on a rainy November day, and the setting in St. Peters Square only burnished Francis reputation as a kindly peoples pope. The story naturally lit up social media, became instant promotional material for vegetarians and animal rights groups, and on Friday even made it to the front page of The New York Times.
Theres only one problem: none of it ever happened.
Sorry, Fido. Pope Francis did NOT say our pets are going to heaven - Religion News Service
(RNS) When Pope Francis recently sought to comfort a distraught boy whose dog had died, the pontiff took the sort of pastoral approach he is famous for telling the youngster not to worry, that he would one day see his pet in heaven.
Paradise is open to all of Gods creatures, Francis said reassuringly.
It was a sparkling moment on a rainy November day, and the setting in St. Peters Square only burnished Francis reputation as a kindly peoples pope. The story naturally lit up social media, became instant promotional material for vegetarians and animal rights groups, and on Friday even made it to the front page of The New York Times.
Theres only one problem: none of it ever happened.
Sorry, Fido. Pope Francis did NOT say our pets are going to heaven - Religion News Service
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