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Pope: Condoms Can Be Justified in Some Cases

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Onan deliberately prevented himself from creating new life in his act.

This is a far cry from a married couple using a condom when the wife is sterile.


Jim


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My wife and I argued one year over who would cook and how we would cook it.

LOL, I'm still thinking "Hmm.. what should I make?" I mean I got a bunch of food, I'm just throwing stuff together out of what I bought.
 
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LOL, I'm still thinking "Hmm.. what should I make?" I mean I got a bunch of food, I'm just throwing stuff together out of what I bought.

You mean you may not do turkey? LOL

My wife's sister and family just showed up and the TV is on football.
I do not watch football or tv that often but this is special.

I hope your meal, whatever it turns out to be, is awesome. God bless.
 
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This truly cracks me up! So now, good Catholic male prostitutes can use condoms.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha................
B4 U laugh, I would suggest reading the full text of what the Pope actually said instead of something that is taken out of context.
 
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It was the intention of his will which was the sin, not the spilling of his seed per se.

His intention was to not provide her with children which would not be counted as his own and it was this that displeased the Lord.

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E]very emission of sperm, in such a way that generation cannot follow, is contrary to the good for man. And if this be done deliberately, it must be a sin
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This would make NFP sinful.

The intention of NFP is to avoid procreation, without violating the dogma's of the Church.

The intent is the same either way.


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This truly cracks me up! So now, good Catholic male prostitutes can use condoms.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha................
I would imagine Judah would have wished he wore one when he "knew" Tamar

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Genesis 38:15 And Judah seeth her, and reckoneth her for a harlot, for she hath covered her face,
16 and he turneth aside unto her by the way, and saith, `Come, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee,' (for he hath not known that she [is] his daughter-in-law); and she saith, `What dost thou give to me, that thou mayest come in unto me?'

26 And Judah discerneth and saith, `She hath been more righteous than I, because that I did not give her to Shelah my son;' and he hath not added to know her again.
27 And it cometh to pass in the time of her bearing, that lo, twins [are] in her womb;
 
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This would make NFP sinful.

The intention of NFP is to avoid procreation, without violating the dogma's of the Church.

The intent is the same either way.


Jim

NFP CAN be sinful.
what Fated said, NFP needs to be done as a natural thing and not as a stand-in for the Pill
many Catholics treat it as nothing more then "church allowed contraception" which is a shame, but I am not married and have not studied these issues so I can not really say too much about it to others...
 
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This would make NFP sinful.

The intention of NFP is to avoid procreation, without violating the dogma's of the Church.

The intent is the same either way.


Jim
if anything this is an argument agianst NFP then it is an argument for condoms, are you agianst NFP? this is not be being a brat and trying to trick up your words, I have heard people argue for Condoms saying the same thing and the argument never clicked with me...
 
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Just to clarify... the sin with contraception is two fold.

The means and the intent (I swear if I had a dime for every time I posted this).

The means we use can not be sinful, like a condom because there is no [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] out side the wife and doing it in a condom is considered outside the wife. It does not matter if you have a good reason, you can't use means that you can't use.

The other part of the sin is intent.

You can use a neutral or morally acceptable means which is NFP and still be sinning because your intent is sinful. Using NFP does not make it non sinful if your intent is to not be open to life.

And if a person is fornicating that is one sin.

if they are fornicating and they use contraceptive of any kid, that is two sins.

You are incurring sin on top of sin what makes that 'bad' is the effects sin has on the soul, not that you can't go to hell anymore then what you already are.

You actually can worsen your hell by worsening the state of your soul through sin compounded with more sin.

and if you don't go to hell, repent one day, you have more to purge when you have all this sin piled on top each other.

The bottom line with all sin- it damages your soul and makes it harder for us to get over our sins, not in a forgiveness respect but in a growing in holiness respect and in a transformation respect.
 
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Using NFP does not make it non sinful if your intent is to not be open to life.
When is one's intent to use NFP to be open to life? (I'm not talking about using NFP in order to conceive, because in that case it's obvious.) I have difficulty distinguishing NFP use that is open to life (not sinful) and NFP use that is not open to life (sinful because of sinful intention).
And if a person is fornicating that is one sin.

if they are fornicating and they use contraceptive of any kid, that is two sins.
But that's what this thread is about, it is two sins, but still, in case of promiscuity (prostitution for example) it may be even worse not to wear a condom than to wear one, because the condom can prevent the spreading of HIV.
 
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Even committing one mortal sin is enough to send a person to Hell if the person does not Confess and avoid committing that sin again.
 
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I would imagine Judah would have wished he wore one when he "knew" Tamar
Bad example if you are trying to argue for the use of condoms since Tamar played an important role in the lineage of Jesus.
 
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