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me and a friend had a very interesting talk about thisWhy not? If you are fornicating, does using a condom add to your sin?
It was readily apparent what you were saying actually, especially given the context of other peoples posts.I'm not into conspiracy theories. Far from it. I just get tired of the media and all their anti-Catholic "news." I probably lashed out too much in that post, but it's amazing how many people worship misinformation.
It sounds like the Pope is encouraging homosexual sex. The Pope should have never made such a statement. I believe that he is wrong.
Really?? I mean do you really think that people who care about what the Church teaches in regards to their sex life have been sitting with baited breath, just waiting for someone to okay their condom usage? Or more specifically, waiting for the Church to say, okay...maybe if men have AIDS and they are prostitutes it is morally less bad to use a condom.Been hearing reporters (who are positively giddy and who don't shrink at interjecting their personal opinions) report on how the Pope is now saying that condoms are okay in certain cases to prevent HIV. They say it is the "hoped for opening". Of course, it is all wrong and I imagine that quite a bit of damage has been done.
Really?? I mean do you really think that people who care about what the Church teaches in regards to their sex life have been sitting with baited breath, just waiting for someone to okay their condom usage?
People who are going to contracept are going to do it. People who are not, are not somehow going to go buy a pack of Trojans because of a news report.
No harm has been done at all. People are going to make the same decisions today as they did yesterday in regards to contraception.
No harm has been done at all. People are going to make the same decisions today as they did yesterday in regards to contraception.
We rely on the media to bring us a consise summary of the most important news of the day in as fair and unbiased a way as is humanly possible. When it comes to the point that professional reporters are not doing this, and we have to go to original sources ourselves, anger is justified.
It is unprofessional to the extreme when reporters and journalists skew the news. It is akin to slander actually.
The point has arrived where much of the news we are getting in the MSM has becomes so skewed that it just can't be trusted. It is almost impossible to be too critical of the fact that this has happened.
Why not? If you are fornicating, does using a condom add to your sin?
Really?? I mean do you really think that people who care about what the Church teaches in regards to their sex life have been sitting with baited breath, just waiting for someone to okay their condom usage? Or more specifically, waiting for the Church to say, okay...maybe if men have AIDS and they are prostitutes it is morally less bad to use a condom.
People who are going to contracept are going to do it. People who are not, are not somehow going to go buy a pack of Trojans because of a news report.
No harm has been done at all. People are going to make the same decisions today as they did yesterday in regards to contraception.
The one thing that seems to be overlooked in these discussions is that two men having sex is not a whole lot different then using a condom since men cannot procreate with each other and so are not open to life in the first place.
well from this POV it would seem like it would be ok to use condoms for any homosexual act, not just the example the Holy Father gave us of the male prostituteThis is making the rounds it seems and it is very frustrating as people panic and rejoice that the Pope is supposedly changing the moral doctrine of the Church. The Pope explicitly said condoms are not a morally sound solution.
He was asked if in any cases condoms could lessen HIV transmission. It's a fact that they can lessen it if other behavior remains constant, even if less than some would believe, but that doesn't make them a morally licit means.
Second, what is a sin in regards to condoms is contraception. Male prostitutes commit the sin of sodomy. Mixing a condom into the mix doesn't change anything since the act was already 100% contraceptive. It's like wearing a condom while you touch--it's no more a sin than masturbating without one on. It doesn't add to the guilt, as far as I can tell and in the case of sodomy it may reduce the possibility of willful murder being added to the sin which already cries out to Heaven for vengeance.
Anyway, even seen in the worst possible light (which I don't see it in), it would be seen like St. Augustine's argument for the toleration of prostitution to avoid greater evils.
I still have not seen any evidence where any of the mainstream media reports misreported this. They seems pretty on target.
I noticed they had a thread about his on the N&C E boardI still have not seen any evidence where any of the mainstream media reports misreported this. They seems pretty on target.
well from this POV it would seem like it would be ok to use condoms for any homosexual act, not just the example the Holy Father gave us of the male prostitute
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