Pope Benedict XVI and Lutherans

[Qoheleth]

Thought I might post this, interesting to say the least.


Those who know Ratzinger, however, say few figures have exercised greater influence on him than Luther. In a 1966 commentary on Vatican II’s “The Church in the Modern World,” Ratzinger said that the document leaned too heavily on Teilhard de Chardin and not enough on Luther - a remarkable comment in an era with no offical Lutheran-Catholic contact, when manyCatholics still branded Luther a heretic.

“Ratzinger has been involved in dialogue with Lutherans from way back,” said Br. Jeffrey Gros, ecumenical affairs specialist for the U.S. bishops. “In the 1980s he was even interested in declaring the Augsburg Confession [the first Lutheran declaration of faith] a Catholic document

http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/091099/091099f.htm

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[Protoevangel]

Thought I might post this, interesting to say the least.


Those who know Ratzinger, however, say few figures have exercised greater influence on him than Luther. In a 1966 commentary on Vatican II’s “The Church in the Modern World,” Ratzinger said that the document leaned too heavily on Teilhard de Chardin and not enough on Luther - a remarkable comment in an era with no offical Lutheran-Catholic contact, when manyCatholics still branded Luther a heretic.

“Ratzinger has been involved in dialogue with Lutherans from way back,” said Br. Jeffrey Gros, ecumenical affairs specialist for the U.S. bishops. “In the 1980s he was even interested in declaring the Augsburg Confession [the first Lutheran declaration of faith] a Catholic document

http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/091099/091099f.htm

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I knew I loved this guy!

 

[revjpw]

Like I said before...

How long before we see "Saint Martin of Wittenburg"?


...of course he is already a Saint. No need for a Catholic canonization for that.

 

[Flipper]

Does this have to do with that agreement that the ELCA and RCC signed a few years ago?

 

[Protoevangel]

yup

 

[Bokhard]

Doesn't the Augsburg Confessions declare the office of the Papacy to be the seat of the anti-Christ?

Why and how would a RCC bishop want to make that part of their doctrine?

Greg

 

[Qoheleth]

Doesn't the Augsburg Confessions declare the office of the Papacy to be the seat of the anti-Christ?

Your kidding right??


Q

 

[Bokhard]

Sorry, I was thinking of the Smallclad Articles... I just remembered that they came from the BoC and thought it was the Augsburg Confession. Part II, Article IV.

Greg

 

[Bokhard]

Ahh.... I just read some other posts, and apparently this topic that I have just brought up had caused some problems here...

It was not my intention to stir things up, I hadn't even read the other posts, and I was just curious as to that event.

Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes.

Greg

 

[revjpw]

Your kidding right??


Q

Read from the Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church - Smalcald Articles, Part 2, Article IV - Of The Papacy.

I will not post it here for fear of being chastized again for posting Lutheran teachings.

 

[Qoheleth]

Read from the Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church - Smalcald Articles, Part 2, Article IV - Of The Papacy.

I will not post it here for fear of being chastized again for posting Lutheran teachings.

Thank you. Im well aware of the location on this subject. Most Lutherans have no idea what is contained in the BoC. Im sure Cardinal Ratzinger was aware of this also.

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[SemStudent08]

I have the BoC, literally, on my bedside table. And I read it fairly regularly. As for this whole debate, here is an interesting document that addresses it, along with numerous other issues in the Lutheran - Catholic debate. Just call me link-boy.

http://www.elca.org/ecumenical/ecumenicaldialogue/romancatholic/Koinonia.pdf

 

[revjpw]

I have the BoC, literally, on my bedside table. And I read it fairly regularly.

Is it the Kolb/Wengert edition?

 

[SemStudent08]

Is it the Kolb/Wengert edition?

Yes, indeed it is. That is the version required for both our Systematics course and our Lutheran Confessions course.

 

[revjpw]

Yes, indeed it is. That is the version required for both our Systematics course and our Lutheran Confessions course.

It was the same with us. Robert Kolb is a prof at St. Louis and Dr. Charles Arand was my Systematics I professor.
Good stuff! (...except the NRSV texts, but we deal with that. )

 

[Qoheleth]

Is it the Kolb/Wengert edition

The Kolb-Wengert edition of The Book of Concord is the one my parish uses. It is generally recommended over the Tappert edition because it is, in many respects, a better translation. However, it’s major flaw is the use of inclusive language. The best translation of all, I think, is the Triglotta—but it is clumsy for the average person.

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[revjpw]

The Kolb-Wengert edition of The Book of Concord is the one my parish uses. It is generally recommended over the Tappert edition because it is, in many respects, a better translation. However, it’s major flaw is the use of inclusive language.

And this is because of the use of the NRSV text. The Kolb/Wengert is published by Augsburg/Fortress which has publishing rights for the NRSV.

But if you ignore the NRSV and use the ESV or the NASB, it works better.

 

[filosofer]

But if you ignore the NRSV and use the ESV or the NASB, it works better.

A sem student or pastor ought to use the Hebrew/Greek texts.

And I would opt for the NAS or NKJV rather than the ESV.