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If you wanted me to continue we would be forced to enter the realm of theoretical physics. Considering you can’t even grasp a considerably simpler concept, biological evolution, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to teach you as abstract of concepts as M-theory and quantum mechanics. Of course there is nothing north of the North Pole, and the same could be true of the Big Bang.
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Hoyle was profoundly wrong about the particulars of abiogenetic processes. No one suggests that recognizably living organisms arose spontaneously from simple organic molecules.
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That's why weren't not discussing "origins" here or any other sort of nebulous term the Creationists wish were a catchall area of study. That's not how science works. Here we can discuss biology, biochemistry, geology, astrophysics or cosmology if you want as relates to the Creation and Evolution debate, but science understands that each of these areas are seperate so you'll have to address those subjects not flit from one to another like a hummingbird and some flowers.
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But wouldn't it have been pointless for Henry Ford to have invented the model T without the oil having been refined in the first place regardless of whether or not he knew how oil was refined?
Someone knew how oil was refined which made the model T worth inventing, without it it would have been a non starter as is evolution without abiogenesis. It comes down to what I have said before that; some claim that we are here so it must have happened; this is not so far removed from others saying Goddidit.
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Ford could have invented the Model-T after someone else had refined oil, or after leprechauns began leaving gasoline on people's doorsteps. And we don't have to rehash oil refining every time we want to discuss axle ratios.
Similarly, it doesn't matter how the first cell arose. There are at least three main ways in which the first cell might have appeared, and even possibilities that involve combinations of those general pathways. However it happened, a recognizable nucleic acid-containing cell appeared (amongst millions of other proto-organisms), began producing offspring, and the rest is history.
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Unfortunately, Saying God did it doesn't add any insight into how life came to be. If you believe in God then by definition you think he created everything, so we learn nothing of the process this way. Even if you say God did it, Didn't he have to have a process? God created a cause and effect universe. Nothing happens with pure spontineity. So the question isn't if God did it, it's how God did it. To the best that science can determine, it was accomplished with a series of chemical reactions.
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God caused it. Now what?
How do you explain CBR measurements, supernova spectums, stellar and planetary accretion, plate tectonics, fossil and genetic evidence of evolution? You can play the infinate regression game but your tactic falls apart a few Plank times before the Universe came into being. So God did it... now explain away all the other evidences from Cosmology, Astrophysics, Geology and Biology pointing to an old Universe, old Earth resulting from natural processes and extant life evolving over the last 3.5 billion years or so.
I'm guessing you can't do it and will just stick with your Cosmogenesis and Abiogenesis God of the Gaps distractions. Can you prove me wrong and demonstrate some knowledge of the various specific areas of study the last 13ish billion years require someone who wants to offer an informed opinion to know at least the basics of?
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It doesn't matter how the first cell arose? The amount of time and money spent on the study of the subject would suggest otherwise as far as the scientific community are concerned.
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It doesn't matter how the first cell arose for the purposes of studying the evolutionary transition between reptiles and birds, or between unicellularity and multicellularity.
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It doesnt matter in the sence that if abiogensis and the big bang could be wrong but that wouldnt affect evolution theory.
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When you are painting a fence, you don't need a degree in chemistry to understand how the chemicals in the paint interact to protect the fence.
Evolution happens, and it has been observed. We don't know how exactly imperfect replicators that eventually evolved into us came to be, but this does not stop the imperfect replicators from existing.
Lets say you walk into your kitchen, and on the table is a can of cola. How did it get there? At the moment you see the can the first time, you don't know. Perhaps someone bought it and placed it there. Perhaps God created it out of thin air. The fact is you don't know.
However, this does not change the fact that the can is, in fact, sitting there on the table.
Evolution is the same. Evolution happens. How was evolution kick started? We don't know yet, but we are looking into it. (In the same way that you can look into how the can got there.)
Evolution happens, and it has been observed. We don't know how exactly imperfect replicators that eventually evolved into us came to be, but this does not stop the imperfect replicators from existing.
Lets say you walk into your kitchen, and on the table is a can of cola. How did it get there? At the moment you see the can the first time, you don't know. Perhaps someone bought it and placed it there. Perhaps God created it out of thin air. The fact is you don't know.
However, this does not change the fact that the can is, in fact, sitting there on the table.
Evolution is the same. Evolution happens. How was evolution kick started? We don't know yet, but we are looking into it. (In the same way that you can look into how the can got there.)
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