Poor Design

[Lilandra]

Alot of the other quotes are figurative to illustarte a point which I would have to read in context to figure out.

I'll get back to you on the circle thing.

I'm trying to make room in my house for Christmas. My kids have loads of old toys. Won't bore you with the details.

Ok. I'll omit it. There are tons of verses in the Bible that refer to a flat circular earth.A circle is flat.

 

[cerad]

Can someone please post a link to a description of the Intelligent Design Theory? I have searched for and read many articles on ID theory. I have not yet found any indication that ID claims to produce a perfect design or even a very good one. The essence of ID seems to be that certain items (such as the eye) could not occur as a result of natural process but rather required some sort of intelligent intervention. I don't really see any claims that the eye itself has to be perfect.

Indications of poor design is not the same as no design at all.

 

[Garnet2727]

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Seriously, if you dont think I can do it, try proving to me that gremlins dont cause car problems.

I believe in car gremlins...I do, I do.

 

[the_oblio]

definitely not rebellion

what i was really getting at was if it came about at the fall, then it wasnt there before.. but i believe you and me are on the same side of this evolution debate John (sorry if im wrong..lol)

 

[Event Horizon]

Alot of the other quotes are figurative to illustarte a point which I would have to read in context to figure out.

Such as?

I'll get back to you on the circle thing.

Ok.

I'm trying to make room in my house for Christmas. My kids have loads of old toys. Won't bore you with the details.

Yeah, Christmas time is hectic.

 

[john crawford]

But sure, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What about all the millions of species of animals that have gone extinct? Sounds like poor design, they obviously didn't make it.

They were naturally selected out of existance by more adaptive and better designed biological models.

 

[john crawford]

So you admit then, that you do not know what is good and what is not good?

It can be difficult for some people to tell the difference between good science and poor science.

There ought to be scientific standards which determine the good brand labels of science from the bad ones.

 

[john crawford]

Can someone please post a link to a description of the Intelligent Design Theory? I have searched for and read many articles on ID theory. I have not yet found any indication that ID claims to produce a perfect design or even a very good one. The essence of ID seems to be that certain items (such as the eye) could not occur as a result of natural process but rather required some sort of intelligent intervention. I don't really see any claims that the eye itself has to be perfect.

There are all kinds of natural design theories out there. Obviously, some of them are more intelligent than others.

 

[Lilandra]

Secondly, these are just more ad-hoc assertions. This is not an explanation, its arbitrarily saying "Well, maybe God likes for it to take 5000 years for humans to be able to cure the miseries of life." or "Well, God might want to to do this." I can create an explanation for why car engines fail due to Gremlins using this method.

Seriously, if you dont think I can do it, try proving to me that gremlins dont cause car problems.

Your gremlin analogy is false and different in a myriad of ways from ID.

 

[curious_george]

They were naturally selected out of existance by more adaptive and better designed biological models.

That sounds like evolution to me.

 

[Randall McNally]

Can someone please post a link to a description of the Intelligent Design Theory? I have searched for and read many articles on ID theory. I have not yet found any indication that ID claims to produce a perfect design or even a very good one. The essence of ID seems to be that certain items (such as the eye) could not occur as a result of natural process but rather required some sort of intelligent intervention. I don't really see any claims that the eye itself has to be perfect.

But the question is virtually begged. The eye is so complex that it must have required "intelligent intervention" to develop, but the developer is so inept that he wired the photoreceptor cells backwards.

Indications of poor design is not the same as no design at all.

That's perhaps the best reason why ID is ultimately unscientific.

 

[william jay schroeder]

Poor design is the worst proof of evolution ive ever heard, its just another accuse for evolutionist to dog on God. You think we know everthing their is to know we have yet to fathom half of anything. Poor design but dont know a way to fix it, or how it could be better. You might as well call us stupid. The huming bird, the bee, the ant, the blood in you, Every one of your stupid poor design ideas are fine its people that cause the problems that could damage them. chocking is hardly a problem our tail born is important, our immune system is beyond anything we could image producing, and to say their are flaws when we dont no everything about them is silly.

 

[Tenacious-D]

Poor design is the worst proof of evolution ive ever heard, its just another accuse for evolutionist to dog on God. You think we know everthing their is to know we have yet to fathom half of anything. Poor design but dont know a way to fix it, or how it could be better. You might as well call us stupid. The huming bird, the bee, the ant, the blood in you, Every one of your stupid poor design ideas are fine its people that cause the problems that could damage them. chocking is hardly a problem our tail born is important, our immune system is beyond anything we could image producing, and to say their are flaws when we dont no everything about them is silly.

Why do I get the impression you are about to cry because you think people are making fun of your God?

 

[Event Horizon]

Poor design is the worst proof of evolution ive ever heard, its just another accuse for evolutionist to dog on God.

Evolution=/=Atheism.

You think we know everthing their is to know

No-one is claiming that.

we have yet to fathom half of anything.

Are you a Hovind fan or something?

Poor design but dont know a way to fix it, or how it could be better.

Incoherent sentence.

You might as well call us stupid. The huming bird, the bee, the ant, the blood in you, Every one of your stupid poor design ideas are fine its people that cause the problems that could damage them.

You are saying humans are responsible for poor design?

chocking is hardly a problem our tail born is important, our immune system is beyond anything we could image producing,

You can't imagine a better immune system? You must have no sense of imagination.

and to say their are flaws when we dont no everything about them is silly.

We may not know everything about something but we can still see it's flaws or weaknesses. Take the human body itself for example. If you are infected by a virus, you had a weakeness. Just because you don't know everything about the body doesn't mean you can't identify that your body had a weakness.

On a side note, please be a bit more careful with your grammer. I'm not saying don't ever make a mistake, but at least make all your sentences coherent.

 

[Alchemist]

I, in my transition from YEC to TE, passed through a ID stage, but it was very short. This is because of the one, major problem I see with Intelligent Design theory, from a Christian perspective: the assumption that God could not have created living beings through an evolutionary system, without 'assisting' the process along. Is God not powerful enough to design a process that would create organisms by itself, without requiring real-time fine-tuning?

I can understand the argument that scientists haven't managed to explain everything about abiogenesis etc. Being a 'traditional' theistic evolutionist, I believe that humans have a 'soul' which was given to us by God at some point after we evolved into humans (i.e. at some arbitrary point in the history of Cro-Magnon), and this indeed is a personal belief, outside the realm of science. But just because science cannot show it exactly, does not mean it cannot be explained. Even if it cannot be explained, this does not imply it did not happen.

And this is the fault of ID arguments. Because these scientists cannot comprehend the evolution of an organism, they imply that God could not have done it. Seems a little odd to me...

Peace,
Alchemist

'For with God nothing will be impossible.'
- Gospel of St. Luke, 1:37​

 

[Farid]

It bursts out of sacrifice! It traps other unwanted small thorn-like matter that may hurt when it passes out.

You guys forgot the appendix, which is apparently intelligently designed to burst and send colonies of bacteria into the GI system so we can die a horrible and painful death by mass infection.

 

[Farid]

In the Book Isaiah in the Old testament, it talk about the Circle of the Earth, so the Bible does not see the earth as flat.

[QUOTE=The Bible OBVIOUSLY teaches the earth is flat, and that's not correct as we know.

 

[Farid]

This only shows how little human thinking is compared to God's. get me a 1 month baby who could understand the intentions of his father? There is a saying " show me a worm that understands man, and I'll show you a man that understands God"

Hey, I came up with a new one! HERVs to the rescue again!

What type of designer would randomly insert bits and pieces of genes and ltrs that we have to expend significant energy and space copying and storing? And that can potentially act as potential pathogen problems, similar as to what was demonstrated in Griffith's experiment.

If a viral-protein-shell code is embedded in our DNA, our immune system tends to ignore it. However, in generalized transduction, viruses can pick up those genes and make different cells, becoming literal stealth fighters in our own bodies.

 

[curious_george]

In the Book Isaiah in the Old testament, it talk about the Circle of the Earth, so the Bible does not see the earth as flat.

I hope you do realize that a circle is 2-dimensional and therefore flat. A sphere might have been a far more accurate description, don't you think?

 

[Randall McNally]

It bursts out of sacrifice! It traps other unwanted small thorn-like matter that may hurt when it passes out.

Ha ha. Joke's over. We don't need any more absurd theology and pseudoscience here; we're all stocked up.