Poor Design

[john crawford]

The female anatomy. Er....the playground next to the sewer.

Every example of "poor" design further augments and supports the observation and argument of countless millions of 'good' and intelligent designs in the structure and function of organisms.

Even our own brains are examples of intelligent design in organisms, unless, of course, faulty wiring is to blame for faulty reasoning and theorizing.

 

[curious_george]

Just seems like that labelling something as good design is purely a subjective viewpoint. Again a reason why ID is not science... how does one measure good design? Are all the animals that have gone extinct poor design? It's the unverifiable measurement of "design" which makes this not science. Could I ever prove to someone that something is poor designed or well designed? No... it's like asking is blue better than green? Every design that seems bad will seem good to the IDers... so what's the point?

But sure, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What about all the millions of species of animals that have gone extinct? Sounds like poor design, they obviously didn't make it.

 

[Event Horizon]

he sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth, if you say creationist know nothing of science i can surly say evolutionist know nothing of the bible.

A circle is a one-dimentional object. It's a flat surface.

 

[Event Horizon]

The last one is a dream. You cannot take a metaphor literally usually it is an image that somehow by comparison gives you a greater understanding of what it is being compared too. Is love a red rose like the poets always say? Or is it like a red rose?

Ok. I'll omit it. There are tons of verses in the Bible that refer to a flat circular earth.

Not sure why you quoted the last one because it says God's throne is above the circle of the Earth not flat Earth.

A circle is flat.

 

[FieryBalrog]

Can anyone design any better? People spend years and years studying and looking for inventions but cannot get as close to creating a single white blood cell with all its complexity.

I'm sorry, it doesn't matter if I can design something better. However, this "Intelligent Designer" wasn't constrained in any way, supposedly. What was preventing him from making a better immune system?

 

[FieryBalrog]

True that things in the immune system or the body can go wrong. But don't you think that this too may be part of the master plan and great design, so that life goes on. Without such ailments, no Dr's would work, no pharmacists would look for drugs, no son would care for a dying mother, or a father shsow his love for a daughter that fractured her little finger. It's all about God's love somehow, when we really look for it.

this is hilarious. The purpose of poor design is to have Drs find work?







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This is why intelligent design "theory" is an ad-hoc piece of unscientific nonsense. Its completely arbitrary. Whatever we find, some arbitrary reason can be given. "Why did the ID give us poor eyes?" "Oh, he didn't want us to see very well, so that proves ID."

Its like using leprechauns to explain the rainbow. "Why dont we ever find them lurking around rainbows?" "Oh, they dont want to show themselves."

 

[JohnR7]

The Bible said it, so the churches taught it. Flat earth Biblical creationists used to be the majority centuries ago,

That is a myth, it is not true that the church use to thing the earth was flat. You need to do a better study on church history.

 

[HRE]

Hey, I came up with a new one! HERVs to the rescue again!

What type of designer would randomly insert bits and pieces of genes and ltrs that we have to expend significant energy and space copying and storing? And that can potentially act as potential pathogen problems, similar as to what was demonstrated in Griffith's experiment.

If a viral-protein-shell code is embedded in our DNA, our immune system tends to ignore it. However, in generalized transduction, viruses can pick up those genes and make different cells, becoming literal stealth fighters in our own bodies.

 

[FieryBalrog]

in the Garden of Eden. Also biologically speaking it culls the weak and promotes the strongest to breed. Sounds intelligent to me.



Hee Hee

You can't have meant that too sound as arrogant as it did. Genetic engineers already have the road map laid out for them by how the body, immune system, and DNAare designed. You are improving the original not creating the original Design.

you can't have realized just how much youre shooting yourself in the foot. We, imperfect humans, can improve upon the design of this all-powerful, all -knowing being?

 

[FieryBalrog]

Hey, I came up with a new one! HERVs to the rescue again!

What type of designer would randomly insert bits and pieces of genes and ltrs that we have to expend significant energy and space copying and storing? And that can potentially act as potential pathogen problems, similar as to what was demonstrated in Griffith's experiment.

If a viral-protein-shell code is embedded in our DNA, our immune system tends to ignore it. However, in generalized transduction, viruses can pick up those genes and make different cells, becoming literal stealth fighters in our own bodies.

dont bother. The "ID" answer is that... oh, uh, God likes ranomly inserted bits and pieces of genes and ltrs.

 

[JohnR7]

Just seems like that labelling something as good design is purely a subjective viewpoint.

So you admit then, that you do not know what is good and what is not good?

 

[FieryBalrog]

That is a myth, it is not true that the church use to thing the earth was flat. You need to do a better study on church history.

The church did, at the very least, teach that the earth was immovable and didn't rotate around the sun. Which it does say in the Bible, dontcha know.

 

[FieryBalrog]

So you admit then, that you do not know what is good and what is not good?

so you admit then, that ID cant be a scientific theory, since in labeling something good youre being subjective and arbitrary?

 

[the_oblio]

In a year of AP Bio, we hit upon numerous flaws in the human body. Each time I recognized one, I thought, "Hey, that's a good argument against ID!"

Unfortunately, I never take notes, so the only one I can recall right now is the Esophagus/Trachea combination which makes it seem like God almost wants us to choke to death.

What examples of poor design can you recall?

I guess things werent "very good" in the garden after all eh?

 

[JohnR7]

I am not arguing against God, I am arguing against the idea that we were created by a being six thousand years ago.
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Why are you Jewish? Unless your a Hebrew decendant, then Adam has nothing to do with you.

 

[Randall McNally]

So you admit then, that you do not know what is good and what is not good?

Not by God's standards. But then, evolution doesn't have to worry about what's "good," only what's useful.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I guess things werent "very good" in the garden after all eh?

Hes talking about ID, not Christian theology. ID is trying to be a scientific theory. Christian theology is not brought into scientific theories, any more than Sumerian myths or Vedic hymns are.

 

[JohnR7]

I guess things werent "very good" in the garden after all eh?

They were good right up untell Eve listened to the snake and Adam followed her in their rebellion against God.

The question is, are you going to follow them in their rebellion or are you going to go along with God's program?

 

[Lilandra]

you can't have realized just how much youre shooting yourself in the foot. We, imperfect humans, can improve upon the design of this all-powerful, all -knowing being?

When people invented the wheel that was the height of technology then. The generations that followed take what is already known and build upon that.

It is not that anyone is smarter now than then it is just certain discoveries make technology possible.


Bioengineering is based upon wisdom of ages gone by combined with new discoveries. Maybe God planned that we would discover things eventually and made it hard for us to start in order that we understand things by experiencing them. My children always learn things better from experiencing them rather than me telling them till I am blue in the face. Apple hits you on the head Eureka!


You are kidding yourself if you think that we are improving on God's design. The Bible never promised us perfection.

 

[FieryBalrog]

When people invented the wheel that was the height of technology then. The generations that followed take what is already known and build upon that.

It is not that anyone is smarter now than then it is just certain discoveries make technology possible.


Bioengineering is based upon wisdom of ages gone by combined with new discoveries. Maybe God planned that we would discover things eventually and made it hard for us to start in order that we understand things by experiencing them. My children always learn things better from experiencing them rather than me telling them till I am blue in the face. Apple hits you on the head Eureka!


You are kidding yourself if you think that we are improving on God's design. The Bible never promised us perfection.

First of all, its not just previous technology that makes progress possible. Or else we wouldn't have had tiny technological progress for 2000 years. Its the specifc method- science- and the freedom of thought and inquiry that leads to rapid technological progress.

Secondly, these are just more ad-hoc assertions. This is not an explanation, its arbitrarily saying "Well, maybe God likes for it to take 5000 years for humans to be able to cure the miseries of life." or "Well, God might want to to do this." I can create an explanation for why car engines fail due to Gremlins using this method.

Seriously, if you dont think I can do it, try proving to me that gremlins dont cause car problems.