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Polygamous-sect children ordered to stay in Texas custody

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Did they, or did they not find a 16 year old girl with FOUR children already? That's what I heard, along with the fact that their giant compound had a bed that was used as soon as the girls were married off to consummate their new marriage.

I don't care what their religious beliefs are, that's sick.
 
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Compare it with the kids growing up in state custody. Kids who grow up in foster homes are likely to end up in prison, psychiatric hospitals or homeless shelters. That's why normally that's only done when there is real danger.

I'm more inclined to believe that this trend would be due to the uncertainty of foster care and the continued connection with birth parents who are drug addicts, abusive, etc. And if there was better permanent arrangements for foster kids, this wouldn't happen as frequently.

These kids needed to be removed and the fact that they are hiding their own identity leads me to believe that there are serious issues involved in this. What kid actually thinks to LIE about his name? teens...sure, kids....hmmm...wouldn't think there'd be that many in one community.
 
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What do you think about taking children away from their parents only because of the beliefs and practices of their religion?
If that's all it was, I'd be adamantly opposed to it. But this is a cult. C-U-L-T. They preach that old men go to heaven by having no fewer than three young (read: teenaged or less) wives. This is a sick, putrified doctrine from hell that is an excuse to be a pedophile and an attempt to justify that mental illness through "religion."

These women are to be pitied, since they've been lied to and taught to lie to the outside from world from their childhood. They don't want to be disturbed from their delusion that they live a normal life. But all they have to do is look at how their sons are treated. By the age of 13, they are driven from the compounds this cult runs. They are turned out into the world because they are sexual competition for the old filth that walks around on two legs and calls itself a "man." This has nothing to do with religion, or Christ, or faith. It has to do with a bunch of psychotic pedophiles who ought to be castrated and imprisoned for the rest of their unnatural lives. I agree with you 100% Sacred. But be aware, the RLDS churh in Salt Lake City disavowed this group years ago. They are in no way connected to the Mormon church
 
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We tend to disagree a lot, but this is well said.
 
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It's not to often that IisJustMe and I are in agreement, however were in full agreement here. The only mild point of contention perhaps is that, I'd still prefer to live in a country where the government didn't castrate it's citizens... however if anyone deserved castration it would certainly be these elderly men who have raped multiple children.

 
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Right on both accounts. I had heard that but to me they're still fundamentalist mormons even if they're not connected with the actual mormon church. Does that make sense? Lol. Their beliefs make them fundamentalist mormons even if the mormon church has disconnected with them.

Anyways, you and I agree on something once again. I hope it continues.
 
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Every religion has it's "whackos," it's not fair to judge the "spiritual current" of a religion by looking at the actions of a minority.


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Every religion has it's "whackos," it's not fair to judge the "spiritual current" of a religion by looking at the actions of a minority.



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Of course I know that, but what else would you call this sect? They call themselves Mormons. I know not all mormons are alike and I know the majority of mormons don't think in the way this compound does. But again, what other way is there to describe their beliefs?
 
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A fundamentalist Mormom sect or perhaps even cult.

 
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We tend to disagree a lot, but this is well said.
See? Being a crazy old conservative Christian Republican doesn't mean I'm totally out of touch with the world.
 
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You really need to use all three words to describe them, they are fundamentalist in that they adhere strictly to certain teachings of Mormanism, and they are a sect because thier beliefs diverge sufficently from mainstream Mormanism to constitute a seperate movement. The amount of control they exibit over thier members probably also qualifies them as a cult.

I was responding to this statement, where you refered to them simply as fundamentalist Mormans:


Which is what I called them, did I not?
 
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All 400 of them?

The point is that with allegations like this all the children are in danger. If not all of them are being raped (which of course they're not) they're also privy to other kinds of abuse including other forms of physical abuse as well as emotional abuse. So all the children are in danger regardless of if only 100 of them are being raped.
 
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Nobody sees this as a bad precedent for removing all children from parents who belong to unpopular religions?

Shouldn't there be some caution or safeguards put in place?

I've seen courts call it abuse to teach a child to believe in hell, or to teach children something is a sin if it's something one of their parents does.

And what if the mother is just as much of a victim as the child? If she's 18, too bad. Mom's treated as a criminal, not a victim.

I just don't think messes like this are best sorted out my mass action. Making judgments on the basis of generalizations about the parents' religion is a scary idea.

Should all children of Muslims be removed from their homes?

Should all children of Wiccans?

All children of Baptists?
 
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Should all children of Muslims be removed from their homes?

Should all children of Wiccans?

All children of Baptists?

If part of wicca or baptists were to require extremely young girls to marry much older men or allowed for their children to be abused or raped, then YES I would say we should take the children away if there are allegations. Since that's NOT the case, then as much as I disagree with Wicca and some christian denominations, they're not advocating child abuse or rape and shouldn't be prosecuted for their beliefs.
 
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Nobody sees this as a bad precedent for removing all children from parents who belong to unpopular religions?

But Liz, the compound (to my knowledge) was left alone until after they received the call from a child within the compound. When things like that occur, regardless of faith, CPS investigates.

Shouldn't there be some caution or safeguards put in place?

Not if a child is in danger.

I've seen courts call it abuse to teach a child to believe in hell, or to teach children something is a sin if it's something one of their parents does.

If that were true the majority of Americans and people from many other nations would be in jail, would they not?

And what if the mother is just as much of a victim as the child? If she's 18, too bad. Mom's treated as a criminal, not a victim.

Maybe to some people but not to me. If the mother has been indoctrinated too then the mother is just as much a victim.

I just don't think messes like this are best sorted out my mass action. Making judgments on the basis of generalizations about the parents' religion is a scary idea.

Its about child endangerment, not religion.
Should all children of Muslims be removed from their homes?

Not unless they are being abused or harmed in anyway.

Should all children of Wiccans?

Wiccans? Why? And again if the children are being abused, then yes investigations should begin.
All children of Baptists?

If they are being abused or harmed.
 
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