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The biblical view of marriage certainly includes sex. Sex, like other aspects of marriage has the other person in mind and is not self focused.

that doesn't answer my question at all. you can also have that kind of sex with several people. so where is the difference? why is one inherently selfish and the other inherently not? it seems more selfish to claim exclusivity, that is the only difference I can see. and I say that as someone who claims that exclusivity, mind you. I just like intellectual honesty and stuff, and logic.
 
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Nope, desires are to be met within the covenant of marriage.

are you sure? how is lust different in marriage or outside? so marrying someone because they're really pretty is okay? you see, that happens. so to say marriage is by definition great, and polyamory isn't, strikes me as very far removed from reality.
 
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that doesn't answer my question at all. you can also have that kind of sex with several people. so where is the difference? why is one inherently selfish and the other inherently not? it seems more selfish to claim exclusivity, that is the only difference I can see. and I say that as someone who claims that exclusivity, mind you. I just like intellectual honesty and stuff, and logic.

The biblical view stated in Genesis and affirmed by Jesus is a man and a woman.
 
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are you sure? how is lust different in marriage or outside? so marrying someone because they're really pretty is okay? you see, that happens. so to say marriage is by definition great, and polyamory isn't, strikes me as very far removed from reality.

Nothing wrong with marrying a good looking person as a criteria. I sure did. And at age 64 she is still a fox! Her beauty is exceeded by the beauty of her character. I'm not out looking for Pollys to amorously pursue.

You are free to take a Jersey-shore approach to Love if you want to. BTW, my wife can proscribe something for any STDs you might get in the pursuit of Pollys.
 
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Nothing wrong with marrying a good looking person as a criteria.

nice try, I obviously meant as the main criteria. how could be "nothing wrong" with *that*, seeing how it's selfish to the max? the selfless thing would be to keep yourself in shape and marry someone who is rather ugly.

You are free to take a Jersey-shore approach to Love if you want to.
what does that even mean? and how is it related to anything I said?

BTW, my wife can proscribe something for any STDs you might get in the pursuit of Pollys.

? so because I ask questions you can't answer, I'm some kind of dandy? hahaha. you wish, women wish, but I'm not :p
 
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I do wonder about the "getting old," bit. I mean, my gf and I chat about marriage only semi-hypothetically. Neither one of us envisions a monogamous marriage, but I wonder if the poly aspect would just peter out over time. Hm. Not really worried, either way, though. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

The thrill of it all loses its appeal in a short time. While I prided myself in having multiple relationships, there was an emptiness. It would seem that increased physical, emotional, mental intimacy is correlated with monogamy (within my own life). At times, I envision myself in my senior years. Personally, I romantise the seniors who have been married for 50 plus years. Devoted to each other, through the best and worst, and committed to the end. There's something special about that and at least to me, it wouldn't be there if I was with different people throughout the years.
 
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I'm sure it does, and so can non-biblical monagamy.

However, if there is anything the least bit romantic about a monogamous relationship, biblical or otherwise, there is selfism. Romantic relationships may include that "building up" aspect, but include "selfish" elements as well.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Based on my experiences, I was more selfish when I was dating multiple guys than I am married to my husband. It could have been my age, for sure, yet at the core I was driven by the greed for attention. It's a much different story with my husband as I am constantly thinking of ways to please and serve him. Disclaimer: I am not stating that it is this way for all relationships. But, it certainly applies to mine.
 
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The thrill of it all loses its appeal in a short time. While I prided myself in having multiple relationships, there was an emptiness. It would seem that increased physical, emotional, mental intimacy is correlated with monogamy (within my own life). At times, I envision myself in my senior years. Personally, I romantise the seniors who have been married for 50 plus years. Devoted to each other, through the best and worst, and committed to the end. There's something special about that and at least to me, it wouldn't be there if I was with different people throughout the years.

Well, the relationship I have now has already been through some incredibly difficult stuff. The emptiness you're talking about is not what's going on here--it isn't a bunch of hot, thrill-seeking flings. It's that gf and I have a strong bond, with mutually compatible morals and complementary personality traits--she has a lot of trouble with anxiety and depression, and I am very good at helping her cope with those; I am very 'spacey' and ADD, to the point where I stagnate in my life and can't accomplish anything--she's very good at helping me organize the mundane details of my life. Together, we are both infinitely more successful and competent, as human beings, than we are apart, and we have complementary life goals for the long term.

And sometimes, when I'm not able to something for her that she absolutely needs--like when she has a nasty concussion and no balance, and she just can't be alone for days at a time-- I feel incredibly lucky that I'm not the only one who has bonded with her in such a way that they will readily put aside what they're doing to help her out. Or, when we are talking about sex, well...she has needs I can't fulfill, and yes they're sexual--or sometimes tangentially related to sex-- but why should that be a shallow thing? It contributes to emotional health and happiness in a lot of ways, if you let it. Likewise, I have...maybe not needs, but very strong desires that she's not able to fulfill.

If we were restricted to only each other, we'd both be a lot more nervous about committing to only each other. As it is, I'm not worried about "I want X type of relationships dynamic, and I've never had it, and I've wanted it since I first discovered relationships exist, and if I stick with her, I'll never get it." If we were monogamous, that would be true, and it might be just enough to make me verynervous about committing to her, and possible enough to fester and make me resent her, or lead me to trying to get her to do things she's just not comfortable with and adopt a role she can't healthily maintain. As it is, I know we can build something on the vast majority of ways that we do complement each other...and I can look for fulfillment in this one area somewhere else. And likewise with her.

When she read over this thread, actually, her response was that the way she saw us, if we end up marrying and sticking together for the long haul, was that we'd be almost monogamous, but each have our little thing we went out to once in a while, (how frequently depending on stage of life, of course; can't have two parents each taking a night off a week, if you've got young kids!)

As for would I want my daughter doing it---I have to go for the moment. Will return and answer, later this evening.

Short answer: yes. Maybe. Depends.
 
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Blink your eyes twice and she's 15. You'd be surprised how fast it will go.

Somehow, without this "new" information I have navigated 37 years of monogamous fidelity and raised a son and daughter (now 25 yrs old +) without regrets.

Might reread your own posts before calling others condescending, just saying.

Good for you. No one is trying to tell you YOU have to be polygamous.

Sldo, I find it highly ammusing that the guy doing most of the railing against polygamy is citing THE BIBLE to back him up.

Solomon. Case closed.
 
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It would seem that increased physical, emotional, mental intimacy is correlated with monogamy (within my own life). Personally, I romantise the seniors who have been married for 50 plus years. Devoted to each other, through the best and worst, and committed to the end. There's something special about that and at least to me, it wouldn't be there if I was with different people throughout the years.

:thumbsup: I've seen a number of married couples in their homes on a daily basis for the last 20 years, and these are always the most romantic, and the most visibly in love.
 
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Sldo, I find it highly ammusing that the guy doing most of the railing against polygamy is citing THE BIBLE to back him up.

Solomon. Case closed.

Solomon is a case study of why monogamy is best, along with other things like good hard work for an honest living.
 
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:thumbsup: I've seen a number of married couples in their homes on a daily basis for the last 20 years, and these are always the most romantic, and the most visibly in love.
And so I'm sure you have been in a significant number or polyamorous homes, so you have a valid basis for comparison, right?
 
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