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[Adventist Dissident]

We have just take a poll it ended at 6:10 pm on 07/28/07

we voted to allow

traditional
progressives
debate and discussion
bible study.

All these other polls are INVALID.

I have alerted the management

 

[sentipente]

Absolutely correct. It is unfortunate that the poll to split was started.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

i have asked the management to close the polls down.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Good job Ice, as I just posted the following on a couple of other polls I will here also.

What this poll is about is can traditional and progressives even debate together on the Adventist forum.

Poll Options Should the SDA Forum Be Split?
Yes, split the two into separate forums.
No, leave them in one area but have stricter rules to prevent personal attacks.

All those who vote for yes are saying that traditionals and progressive SDA's cannot even debate together even though we have already voted and approved a debate forum. There is only one acceptable answer to this poll and that is the no vote. This is why this poll should never have been posted because it violates the previous vote.

So I am going to vote "no" now and if anyone has any consistency and order for the rule making process they should vote "no" now also. Or who knows maybe the next poll will reverse this poll!

 

[NightEternal]

I don't understand what is happening.

If the split poll was not valid, why didn't Tall and Sophia tell us right away before things got this far?

This is not fair. Why was forum separation presented to us as a valid option and possibility in the first place? We should have been informed that the original plan was still in effect.

Ice, this is messed up.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Good job Ice, as I just posted the following on a couple of other polls I will here also.

What this poll is about is can traditional and progressives even debate together on the Adventist forum.



All those who vote for yes are saying that traditionals and progressive SDA's cannot even debate together even though we have already voted and approved a debate forum. There is only one acceptable answer to this poll and that is the no vote. This is why this poll should never have been posted because it violates the previous vote.

So I am going to vote "no" now and if anyone has any consistency and order for the rule making process they should vote "no" now also. Or who knows maybe the next poll will reverse this poll!

the whole purpose of the debate/discussion forum was to have a place off the main page to discuss. with out it affecting the rest of the forum

 

[longhair75]

I am not "management" and it would, I'm sure, be seen as interfering in the operation of the SDA forum to arbitrarily close the current poll discussing a possible split in the forum.

I would appeal to all of you to seek some middle ground beyond this argument. You are brothers and sisters in Christ, and should treat each other as such.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Majority still rules, we voted on that already, so whatever majority rule is on the new polls, that's what we'll have.

And Ice, if you complain to management, so will the Traditionals.

We need a break, and I'm surprised you guys don't want that too.

 

[JonMiller]

What I don't understand is is this an attempt to kick those who the 'traditionals' dont' consider 'pure' enough out of the forums? Or is this the 'traditionals' going off and starting a new forum? Because it is mostly 'traditionals' who think that a new forum is needed...

JM

 

[TrustAndObey]

It's not just Traditionals that want the split Jon.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Majority still rules, we voted on that already, so whatever majority rule is on the new polls, that's what we'll have.

And Ice, if you complain to management, so will the Traditionals.

We need a break, and I'm surprised you guys don't want that too.

this issue has been settled. we've already voted. if you want a break don't respond to the post, if you respond to them it is like gas on a fire, let it die and they will go away.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

BTW

What would you complain about i have done nothing wrong.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Majority still rules, we voted on that already, so whatever majority rule is on the new polls, that's what we'll have.

And Ice, if you complain to management, so will the Traditionals.

We need a break, and I'm surprised you guys don't want that too.

So the majority rules, but which poll does the majority rule in when the majority votes on polls disagree with a different majority rule poll. Was there discussion in the wiki about starting this recent poll to make two forums?

I just checked and the last wiki discussion was on the 17th and there was nothing about this idea. It seems Sophia introduced it without any real conversation. Now if you all want to let Sophia just create poll questions on her own I am fine with that but it does not seem to fit with what we set up as our working rules for the creation of rules.

 

[JonMiller]

It's not just Traditionals that want the split Jon.

It mostly is. And the reason why some of the 'nontraditionals' want a split is because you and others keep telling them thath they aren't adventists.

When they are.. just as much as you and Woob (And I expect many other of the 'traditionals').

JM

 

[TrustAndObey]

Here's what I don't get Jon. You obviously do not like us, so why is it so important to keep us around?

If there were a separate forum, you'd still have debates, if that's what you guys think you're going to be missing.

Hardly any Progressives believe in evolution...only one that I know of. Maco disagrees with the Trinity as most on here define it.

People (other Christians) are still going to come in and debate the Sabbath, etc. in your forum as well as ours.

You don't need us for debate. This is a huge forum with lots of other Christians and very few denominations hold Adventism to a high regard.

You seriously don't need us for debate, but for some strange reason you guys want to be able to debate with US.

Why?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

After a little more searching here is what was decided on the way to decide polls. It was accepted but the people in the thread (we need a faciliator thread) but it was before we were running polls.

Ok, formulated some wording for the waiting period. What do you think?


1. All changes need to have discussion and consensus. To ensure this each proposed addition, or any counter-proposals, will be voted on prior to adding. After an initial discussion period to form the poll options a poll will run 4 days. Polls will be public. The votes of those who are not Seventh-day Adventist contributors will not be counted.

2. The process will begin with the big items first such as forum/sub-forum organization, who can debate, etc. and then move to specific rules.

3. Any changes made without the process outlined in point 1 will be rolled back.

Clearly number 1 was not preformed on this poll.

 

[TrustAndObey]

RC, some of the Traditionals decided we didn't want to continue with that process only to get deadlocked when it came to picking mods.

In the end, we really are from two totally denominations (at least it feels that way) and it's not harmonious on here at all.

I think it was an emergency, obviously Tall and Sophia thought so too, and I think we should be allowed to make a split if we want one.

Why is it so important to you guys that the Traditionals be put in a position to debate with you?

Answer that one question please.

 

[honorthesabbath]

This is almost laughable. The real intentions of the liberals is shinning thru. Without the TSDA's they have NOTHING to do! rofl.

T&O--they won't answer your question because you hit it right on. All they want is to fight with TSDA's. They act like they HATE all this discord--but alas--now that there is a sure fire way to stop all this fighting---THEY are against the split--how telling!

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Why is it so important to you guys that the Traditionals be put in a position to debate with you?

Answer that one question please.

Because that was what the consensus and the vote was of this forum. This poll was poorly planned with no discussion and this poll would defeat the previous efforts of this forum.

I think it was an emergency, obviously Tall and Sophia thought so too, and I think we should be allowed to make a split if we want one.

And don't find that obvious at all, maybe you can point me to where either one of them make the statement that this was an emergency. You are simply making a gratuitous assertion and that is logical fallacy.

There have already been sub-forums voted so your desire to split is not really the issue as each side already has a sub-forum approved and the sub-forum will likely be restricted in the way of debate. The rules for the sub- forum have not been prepared as yet.

That is why this comes down to only one thing, the elimination of the debate discussion sub-forum. Which has already been voted and approved.

 

[woobadooba]

Because that was what the consensus and the vote was of this forum. This poll was poorly planned with no discussion and this poll would defeat the previous efforts of this forum.

And don't find that obvious at all, maybe you can point me to where either one of them make the statement that this was an emergency. You are simply making a gratuitous assertion and that is logical fallacy.

There have already been sub-forums voted so your desire to split is not really the issue as each side already has a sub-forum approved and the sub-forum will likely be restricted in the way of debate. The rules for the sub- forum have not been prepared as yet.

That is why this comes down to only one thing, the elimination of the debate discussion sub-forum. Which has already been voted and approved.

It's not so much discussion that is dividing us as it is poor behavior. It's one thing to share your concerns with others about what's happening in the SDA church, and quite another thing to spam the boards with all kinds of hateful rhetoric that is directed at the SDA church and Ellen White.

In all fairness to the Traditionals, I don't blame them for not wanting to put up with this anymore. But I still think the best thing for us to do is to enforce rules that are more definitive, that will discourage people from behaving in a certain manner, lest they get banned from the forum for a time, or permanently.